AvidLerner
have you seen this Arduino controller "Self Optimizing Automated Arduino based Nutrient Doser Hydroponics"

Wow I better stay tuned to this thread

FatFriday said:

AvidLerner
have you seen this Arduino controller "Self Optimizing Automated Arduino based Nutrient Doser Hydroponics"

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Nice system- but I kept cringing everytime water splashed by the board,,, he had that bare board on wet table, He's a hardcore programmer and I got to admit he is doing some serious testing at his casa!

I'm testing turbidity sensors. under $20 and it uses one port and measures temps also , which can give good PH estimate before the PH senor reading, this is eliminating one ppm/ec sensor and a temp sensor and frees a port. I'm testing a Kenmore turbidity sensor the has PH, temp and turbidity reading on 1 port , so you just have one sensor in the tank . I found a Tank level sensor external to tank that obtains tank water level reading without being submerged,
And that code was brutal, . the turbidity sensors gives a close enough PH estimate (prior knowledge- dependent based on which nutrients are used) that you can doser your nute tank before the actual PH test is completed sometimes eliminating the second and 3rd adjustment to the tank.

And what has me most excited bout turbidity sensors, most of the sensors are totally industrial tough,,, large grow farmers big complaint is the bucket of old PH probes not functioning correctly, well that wont change yet and Temp senors can last for yrs ... but EC/ppm sensors have tendency to need calibration and wear out also.

these sensors can survive in a paste of 1 part gasoline, 1 part tide soap, 1 part water overnite. Workd just fine the next day. The sensors are tough as nails. IDK if they survive ice, i'll find out. The ones ive seen are plastic so IDK.

I think the ph and ec probes are designed the wear out. Their both subject to electrolysis which causes oxidation of the probe. I think if you used a gold plated probe and set up in the link I gave you would never have to replace it.
Can you link the sensors your playing with?

Thanks
FF

FatFriday said:

AvidLerner
have you seen this Arduino controller "Self Optimizing Automated Arduino based Nutrient Doser Hydroponics"

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Nice coding modular easy to read.

FatFriday said:

I think the ph and ec probes are designed the wear out. Their both subject to electrolysis which causes oxidation of the probe. I think if you used a gold plated probe and set up in the link I gave you would never have to replace it.
Can you link the sensors your playing with?

Thanks
FF

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FatFri, I'm going to just release a little bit if secret guidence info cuz I'll piss off some ppl that have paid kindly for this code....

YOU ARE CORRECT Sir ! Oxidation, grn groadies, Killer of sensors, especially PH and EC.... this puzzle me cuz I got code that stops grn groadies,,, I seen circuit boards changing polarities,, yes I got gold plated soil and tank sensor on sale next wk that Help slow grn groadies with soil senors, but 95% of electrodes get green groadies ( especially lite sensors, EC-PH) they'll come out of the box with wet with crystals on the electrodes. But many pro and hobby sensors need calibration or break and the software has no code to stop this, I see circuits and expensive stuff to try unsuccessfully to correct grn groadie repair but it can be done free in the code. Its not the senors or the circuits fault, its the software that repair this issue. Rare to see it .
electrolysis -
electrolysis goes further than corrosion around the sensor probe n the tank or soil. The plant is a solar panel from an elec guy pt of view, the problem is the whole dam plant organism, sloil organisims, on and on are under electrolysis. the little solar cells and containers have chloroplast , make a solar panel. photosythisis Energy from sunlight to produce sugar, which cellular respiration converts into ATP, Bam GRN GROADIES in the plant if her roots arnt soaking at approx 5.6 - 6.2 ph. She'll suck up to much or starve of nutes if you get to far out of range, if this is wrong soil medium turns into a grd and electrolytes get out of wack,,, make a battery and oxidation occurs in the root and plant tissue. Hydrofarm has fancy unit around a $100 that grounds plant mediums thru wall socket grounds, IDK,,, I have arduino Uno around 12.95 can ground your plants and I'll throw in the code and tutorial give plants a super zap charge.

I took this one out of the Hydro Tank line up. We still offer it for soil pots. Accurate function, but I've had 2 ppl report a drip,,, and I'm not happy with the seal on the plug and the seal function into a tank is not ideal for cannabis growers, lots of home indoor set ups. I'll have 4- 6 to choose from, submersibles, just cuz some are very inexpensive, dont let that fool you , they're used for water purification- dosers for lakes, and city tanks and will last a long time and they work great for small indoor gardens and no relays and xtra circuit boards needed as it voltage differential 1.3V ± 20% .

My preference , IMO - I think code could be written to give ec, tds, tss, ntu data readings with one sensor as they seem to correlate.
EC-TDS-TSS vs Nephelometric Turbidity Units (NTU)
The propensity of particles to scatter a light beam focused on them is now considered a more meaningful measure of turbidity in water. Turbidity measured this way uses an instrument called a nephelometer with the detector set up to the side of the light beam. More light reaches the detector if there are lots of small particles scattering the source beam than if there are few. The units of turbidity from a calibrated nephelometer are called Nephelometric Turbidity Units (NTU). To some extent, how much light reflects for a given amount of particulates is dependent upon properties of the particles like their shape, color, and reflectivity. For this reason (and the reason that heavier particles settle quickly and do not contribute to a turbidity reading), a correlation between turbidity and total suspended solids (TSS) is somewhat unique for each location or situation.
The senors that will be offered come with code and How To tutorials for specific projects and a variety of circuit boards.
Where to add these sensors to soil pots, How To for tanks, and How To for your water filtration can increase measurement accuracy to plants, especially on large systems. In fact these are the same sensors used for your city water plants and some of our cannabis Turbidity industrial sensors are even tougher for harsh chemicals, more detail coming in the tutorial section next wk.

lino said:

FatFri, I'm going to just release a little bit if secret guidence info cuz I'll piss off some ppl that have paid kindly for this code....

YOU ARE CORRECT Sir ! Oxidation, grn groadies, Killer of sensors, especially PH and EC.... this puzzle me cuz I got code that stops grn groadies,,, I seen circuit boards changing polarities,, yes I got gold plated soil and tank sensor on sale next wk that Help slow grn groadies with soil senors, but 95% of electrodes get green groadies ( especially lite sensors, EC-PH) they'll come out of the box with wet with crystals on the electrodes. But many pro and hobby sensors need calibration or break and the software has no code to stop this, I see circuits and expensive stuff to try unsuccessfully to correct grn groadie repair but it can be done free in the code. Its not the senors or the circuits fault, its the software that repair this issue. Rare to see it .
electrolysis -
electrolysis goes further than corrosion around the sensor probe n the tank or soil. The plant is a solar panel from an elec guy pt of view, the problem is the whole dam plant organism, sloil organisims, on and on are under electrolysis. the little solar cells and containers have chloroplast , make a solar panel. photosythisis Energy from sunlight to produce sugar, which cellular respiration converts into ATP, Bam GRN GROADIES in the plant if her roots arnt soaking at approx 5.6 - 6.2 ph. She'll suck up to much or starve of nutes if you get to far out of range, if this is wrong soil medium turns into a grd and electrolytes get out of wack,,, make a battery and oxidation occurs in the root and plant tissue. Hydrofarm has fancy unit around a $100 that grounds plant mediums thru wall socket grounds, IDK,,, I have arduino Uno around 12.95 can ground your plants and I'll throw in the code and tutorial give plants a super zap charge.

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are you a product seller?

thinking of trying the Gravity: Analog Soil Moisture Sensor For Arduino for the EC probe - the
Immersion Gold process is one of the better ways to prevent the probes from corroding outside using 100% gold .

FatFriday said:

are you a product seller?

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Yes and no, just a hobby, not really based on profit, left over hobby parts but I do buy some bulk now and then,.
linoLatte will be at full throttle at the end of this mth.... I may not own the LinoTron in mths to come, a bad azz cpu that contains all the cultivation lab software for all linoLab tools. It might be under different ownership soon but I will still sell them.
This is where I sell an overflow of elect and horticulture stuff- seeds, grafting, embryonic, gel slab petri or DNA tools and robots, drones, lab equipment and new parts, all my Farmer subjects are sold there Execpt for politics and stocks,. We sell prototypes that myself and others can sell there also, contact me and I'll sell it for you, consignment,, we buy in bulk also...

LinoLatte site is website that separates cannabis breeders from pollen chuckers. We're the ONLY cannabis company that practices safe plant sex/propagation techniques that stop the spread of pathogens thru DNA markers and we are ANTI-pollen chuckers.. with that said maybe I''ll get to here of others like me now,,, Bad Kitty! sorry A Cartman flash back, no offense guys, keep slinging mindlessly blindlessly , throw that polllen against wall and see what sticks, you'll find some good pheno's geneOs and you guys piss me off cuz your shit is better than mine many times so dont be offended, - I offer classes on that site that will show you how to dial your breeding in...

Course Certificates from college and biology companies in breeding will be avaliable, no college credits at this point Yet, hort and cultivation , I'll do some robot and drone building offering free tutorials. But online classes on electrical if I can get my elec engineer buddy to help, i'm not the guy for electrical instruction, I need someone with a knowledge base like @AvidLerner has to help cuz I wont be able to answer to many elec question that will come up in the class. I'm not offering biology on cannabis either- to deep for me,,, I'm not the guy for that....

Free tutorials <my cannabis grafting will release NEVER before unseen technology in cannabis grafts that will rock growers world with fun projects,,, all this skool stuff comes in Feb,,, but anyone can get lined up sooner for a class in 100's of subjects from spectrum _ PH and Chems _ hormones_ and we build sensors and gadgets, there is a newsletter that anyone can sign up for on the site that will give all these updates so you dont have to visit the site looking for new courses and products -HOWEVER the FREE stuff will only be found by visitors to the site.

I'll PM details to you at a later date

FatFriday said:

thinking of trying the Gravity: Analog Soil Moisture Sensor For Arduino for the EC probe - the
Immersion Gold process is one of the better ways to prevent the probes from corroding outside using 100% gold .

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You are correct about gold but your wasting you're $$$ Sir. IMO. Gold is for space shuttle components And VR racing drones.. :D
your quote
"Immersion Gold process is one of the better ways to prevent the probes from corroding outside using 100% gold"
GOLD -very good conductor.. but the all my store bought gold plated sensors like the one on the right in the pic on the right will fall apart pretty quick when put into soil continuously. Not the gold per say, but the gypsum and other material used dont hold up... They actually do last a while if used properly! These sensors are not designed to be in the soil constantly. I show how to use them in the instructions.
The rods on the left are actual sensors that I have designed, sprayed with wire coat and hard to see in the pic but there rings of other materials on the rods. One of the pair of rods on the left were pulled out of soil for the pic and as you can see there is very little grn groadies on the rods. And the rods are holding up much longer than gold and gypsum chinese sensors do in this constant submerged soil conditions or any condition for that matter.
BUT AGAIN , my rods AND Chinese sensors will avoid corrosion, grn groadies, up to 10 times longer On All SOIL Sensors because of the my code. Yes, certain materials helps avoid corrosion, but proper code stops 97% of grn groadies.
Ive seen some guys with Carbon Rods in kits and there code works kinda, I better say that some of the Carbon Rod guys, some works pretty good at anti-corrosion. But now you got big Carbon rod in your soil mediums.
And I like the function of the graphite rods , but there getting into Pencil lead basically and I dont want no pencil lead in my soil either.... So i dont care if Graphite is kinda corrosion resistant with good code.
IMO...

Follow me and no offense intended, im just a smart azz, which stands for dumb ass sometimes. A little story for articulation sake, im a boring azz thread poster sometimes, My automotive elect class back in the 70's, I included my Fav String players video , Why? Cuz this HS Instructor mind fucks the whole class rm just like these cello guys thrash the audience, I"ll never forget, We looked Exactly like the audience! especially at the end of the video. We looked exactly like audience did at the end of this video , it same ending in video as the end of this story.

I got my breadboard kit, power supply, oscill scope, for the 1st day of class. A cocky instructor walks into class, doesnt say anything for bout 30 seconds, paces back and forth. Stops and asks us; you Know what pigs are? No one answers. The instructor says louder, does anyone know what a bunch of pigs are?
One kid blurts out: its a farm animal. The instructor says Thats rite, they're HOGS, ... He spells it on the chalk board giant, HOGS
The instructor starts yelling all of sudden, 8am in HS this lunatic yells; all you need to know is HOGS and you can fix any car, plane or TV! He screams; do you get! All you hear are mumbles and I see heads up and down in agreement ,The instructor Yells; everyone say HOGS!, he yells LOUDER! then he Grabs this kids cheap volt meter and throws it against wall and it explodes. WTF?
He yells you wont need that Fucking meter to fix electrical circuits out in the field, you'll be on ladder in 60 mph wind looking for HOGS! If you need that meter you got problems, you'll be finding Fucking HOGS! This guy is going off ! ! !The instructor goes over locks the door, calmly says; nobody is leaving. The skool bell rings.
The classroom is freaking out rite now! This instructor goes over to the chalk board and writes
H - hi resistance! - green groadies!
O - Open Circuit - Broken wire!
G - Grounds - Circuit cant find a grd!
S - shorts - a wire crossed over, burned usually to another wire or grd.
Instructor says: Come to class by 8 am in 5 minutes increments by last name and you'll explain OHMS Law IF NOT you're out of class!
The instructor pulls out a brand new top of the line texas instrument meter and hands it to the kid with the destroyed meter and unlocks the door and leaves us in the classrm trying to figure what time we had to show up for class the next day. now That's an instructor!

This is exactly what this instructor did to us ! We looked just like the audience does at the end of the baddest ever cello!

no that was a dickhead - I have an degree in electronics and teach

FatFriday said:

no that was a dickhead - I have an degree in electronics and teach

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some would agree with you, I worked for PSCO of colo , utility transmission lines , I ve been suspended in some precarious diagnostics and Ill I could remember at these moment was HOGS, If I need a meter its going to be a bad day!


The guy was my wrestling coach and my fav instructor of all time but I can see how some would think what theyd think. But ya know what? I didnt need a meter jus like he said HOGS is what saved my life homie!, I just prayed No wind, static, Bad Kitty!

I have heard good things about Bluelab but its a little pricey.
https://www.amazon.com/Bluelab-Controller-Monitoring-Dosing-Solution/dp/B00O9CBYZ0

ReeferChief said:

I have heard good things about Bluelab but its a little pricey.

https://www.amazon.com/Bluelab-Controller-Monitoring-Dosing-Solution/dp/B00O9CBYZ0

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I got a used unit that just came in. I'll test it and post the blue lab unit PH and hand held monitor around $70 range, on Tue...
I'm meeting with a distributor Tomorrow to check out his partss,,, $5 - $20 Chinese PH meters&monitor, wtf, I'll keep ya guys posted.

I want to have something that will email me with the information of how the water is doing

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FatFriday said:

I want to have something that will email me with the information of how the water is doing

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Question for everyone ?
You're at the grow store, you going to buy a complete automated grow system for seedling and clones . How do you want your data handled, data could even include your security system since it COULD be upgradable?
REMOTE
email me
web page - https- but nothing secure on the net or phone.
phone App monitor
phone App with controls that add $100 cost add data to phone
Cloud Server
I want Win 10 and remote desk top from anywhere for complete control and voice activation, LinoTron
Store your data on my server in my basement, we be hiding like Hillary, cops come I'll bust that shit with a hammer.
LOCAL
web page from SD card data on laptop, SD card can be on automation grow machine also. wiFi
WiFi into your laptop and data is on laptop hardrive, no SD card data
Ethernet hard wire connection
blue tooth to you laptop
Just store my data onboard the EEPROM chip in the automation board, show data on automation LCD.
I want Win 10 and remote desk top for complete control and voice activation from home or the shop, LinoTron
NO DATA, just water and lite my plants Plz

I know some of you are not in Legal states so that might change your view..
So how would you guys like your data served?