molasses in coco

Aqua Man · May 16, 2020

Plain and simple teas are food and it depends on the type of bacteria we are talking about. Some form symbiotic relationships directly with the roots and other do so by breaking nutrients down and producing enzymes.

There is no benefit to having more than needed of any and population control is based on food source and an over abundance added can lower soil pH and oxygen levels as all of these bacteria are aerobic and consume oxygen and release CO2. Dumping a shit ton into the soil can lead to anaerobic conditions a bit deeper in the soil especially if it's say saturated with water and has poor drainage or becomes stagnant.

Like with everything more is not better and usually has negative consequences.

No I'm not going to find links or scientific data. Feel free to do your own research on it though.

So for arguments sake I will just say this is my opinion only

MIMedGrower · May 16, 2020

One drop said:
This is what was required by law before I could sell it . It’s got some great Boron in it the worms first element they search for .

Even here the nutrients are accounted for (and can be proven by tissue sample if uptaken) but the micro life is a simple count per million. Doesnt the type of microbe matter?

MIMedGrower · May 16, 2020

Aqua Man said:
Plain and simple teas are food and it depends on the type of bacteria we are talking about. Some form symbiotic relationships directly with the roots and other do so by breaking nutrients down and producing enzymes.

There is no benefit to having more than needed of any and population control is based on food source and an over abundance added can lower soil pH and oxygen levels as all of these bacteria are aerobic and consume oxygen and release CO2. Dumping a shit ton into the soil can lead to anaerobic conditions a bit deeper in the soil especially if it's say saturated with water and has poor drainage or becomes stagnant.

Like with everything more is not better and usually has negative consequences.

No I'm not going to find links or scientific data. Feel free to do your own research on it though.

So for arguments sake I will just say this is my opinion only

Thank you for posting your opinion. Seems to mirror what i have read.

The nute companies always need a new product to sell. Retail is like that.

20 years ago they advertised “bloom boosters” in high times until they were the norm and now it seems they sell microbes and fungi.

But cannabis doesnt really need or use bloom nutes and microbes and fungi appear when conditions are right anyway.

If they didnt i couldnt grow a plant with water only in ocean forest.

Humans tend to damage nature instead of enhance it in my opinion.

One drop · May 16, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
Even here the nutrients are accounted for (and can be proven by tissue sample if uptaken) but the micro life is a simple count per million. Doesnt the type of microbe matter?

Yes I would of liked more info on what microbes there were but the funds didn't allow it , I'll go a Google hunting .cheers .

Aqua Man · May 16, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
Thank you for posting your opinion. Seems to mirror what i have read.

The nute companies always need a new product to sell. Retail is like that.

20 years ago they advertised “bloom boosters” in high times until they were the norm and now it seems they sell microbes and fungi.

But cannabis doesnt really need or use bloom nutes and microbes and fungi appear when conditions are right anyway.

If they didnt i couldnt grow a plant with water only in ocean forest.

Humans tend to damage nature instead of enhance it in my opinion.

Couldn't agree more.

cemchris · May 16, 2020

It's got Micros and Mg in it. That helps but you are better off using Mag Sulfate if that is what you are using it for.

MIMedGrower · May 16, 2020

cemchris said:
It's got Micros and Mg in it. That helps but you are better off using Mag Sulfate if that is what you are using it for.

Way better off. Mollasses would have to break way down over time to actually have its nutrients available to plants.

Many show the fda nutrient label but that is for humans with acid in our stomachs to break down food. Plants cant take up such large molecules.

Aqua Man · May 16, 2020

cemchris said:
It's got Micros and Mg in it. That helps but you are better off using Mag Sulfate if that is what you are using it for.

Think potassium too but the source of molasses also plays a bit of a role too from what I remember bit I'm not an organic guy... I'm about as far from as you can get...

In fact fuck organics and the BS hype and misinformation presented by the industry. I am no longer posting in organic threads this was my last time and I had my reasons.

Fuck ph perfect nutes and fuck organics.

Nothing personal to anyone at all just a personal choice

4TREESCANNABIS · May 16, 2020

I'll be the odd one out on this one. I like using molasses!

4TREESCANNABIS · May 16, 2020

Aqua Man said:
Think potassium too but the source of molasses also plays a bit of a role too from what I remember bit I'm not an organic guy... I'm about as far from as you can get...

In fact fuck organics and the BS hype and misinformation presented by the industry. I am no longer posting in organic threads this was my last time and I had my reasons.

Fuck ph perfect nutes and fuck organics. Nothing personal to anyone at all just a personal choice

How about Veganic?

Aqua Man · May 16, 2020

4TREESCANNABIS said:
How about Veganic?

Tbh I don't know enough about it but I can't see how it would be any more beneficial that inorganic nutrients.

Well actually no matter the source all nutrients are inorganic when the plant takes them up

revfunk · May 16, 2020

Aqua Man said:
Tbh I don't know enough about it but I can't see how it would be any more beneficial that inorganic nutrients.

Well actually no matter the source all nutrients are inorganic when the plant takes them up

Exactly. We like to label things as human beings, but the plants could give 2 fucks.

4TREESCANNABIS · May 16, 2020

Aqua Man said:
Tbh I don't know enough about it but I can't see how it would be any more beneficial that inorganic nutrients.

Well actually no matter the source all nutrients are inorganic when the plant takes them up

The taste and look of veganic vs organic vs synthetic all grown in the same system under the same light is pretty huge. It definitely produces different qualities. And personally, when ingesting something I like to know its a cleaner product being fed to the plant-like organic or vegan based. Vegan based nutrients are easier absorbed by the plants than animal proteins too. I like to feed my plants like I would prefer to feed my body. Veganic grown product has been said to have higher THC too but I haven't personally seen test results to prove that. Either way, the vegan-based or organic definitely seem to taste better and have more terpene rich flowers.

mancorn · May 16, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
There is a professor who dispels ag myth. I have a link somewhere. She writes that when a farmer sprays compost on the crops the micro life blooms excessively. Then it all competes for food so some live and some immediately die out. In a day or two all the extra created bacteria die off and the root zone goes back to the normal amount.

They found no evidence that the plants uptook nutrients any more than without compost sprayed. It is possibly less from the microbes competing and eating all available starches.

Just the micro life activity and die back is proven.

Aint got to be a weed farmer to get caught up in myth and fads.

The microbes can only process what's in the soil. If you pour a bunch of microbes in sand they'll all be dead the next day. If you add a bunch of microbes from Asia into your backyard they'll probably all die also. But if you're making microorganisms from compost (from your own yard/area) then you're spreading gritters that will live as long as there's organic materials to feed on. Sure there might be a saturation point, but doubt most of us have old growth soils - which are the riches soils on the planet because they're producing so much compostable material. So yes if you add microbes but have nothing for them to eat (long term), it makes no sense. But if you add organic material to your soil and then juice the composting process by adding teas (aka microorganisms), then it's going to be beneficial. That said, I'm not sold on just adding molasses to the soil. I agree it's just a sugar high.

MIMedGrower · May 16, 2020

mancorn said:
The microbes can only process what's in the soil. If you pour a bunch of microbes in sand they'll all be dead the next day. If you add a bunch of microbes from Asia into your backyard they'll probably all die also. But if you're making microorganisms from compost (from your own yard/area) then you're spreading gritters that will live as long as there's organic materials to feed on. Sure there might be a saturation point, but doubt most of us have old growth soils - which are the riches soils on the planet because they're producing so much compostable material. So yes if you add microbes but have nothing for them to eat (long term), it makes no sense. But if you add organic material to your soil and then juice the composting process by adding teas (aka microorganisms), then it's going to be beneficial. That said, I'm not sold on just adding molasses to the soil. I agree it's just a sugar high.

But again. Of course they will feed as long as they have food but do the newly introduced microbes actually increase plant growth or yield.

From what i have read that is still undetermined.

I do get that introducing a certain amount of organic material each year will improve and reinvigorate the soil structure. But that is a different topic.

Aqua Man · May 16, 2020

4TREESCANNABIS said:
The taste and look of veganic vs organic vs synthetic all grown in the same system under the same light is pretty huge. It definitely produces different qualities. And personally, when ingesting something I like to know its a cleaner product being fed to the plant-like organic or vegan based. Vegan based nutrients are easier absorbed by the plants than animal proteins too. I like to feed my plants like I would prefer to feed my body. Veganic grown product has been said to have higher THC too but I haven't personally seen test results to prove that. Either way, the vegan-based or organic definitely seem to taste better and have more terpene rich flowers.

Gonna have to agree to disagree. It could only be attributed to nutrient differences. Plants only uptake inorganic nutrients no matter the source a nitrate is a nitrate. Sulfur is very influential for terps and flavonoids. Phosphorus in higher amounts has been link to less desirable products. Now in soil with microbiology there are some other compounds produced that may have an impact on these.

I'm not doubting your results or observations.... But I don't feel they are attributed to the difference sources. I will say with inorganic nutrients it's far easier to feed excess and create toxicity which can negatively affect quality. But I just can scientifically accept it's based on source. Like I say all sources need to be broken down into inorganic nutrients in order to be available to the plant. In the end they are all the same. The ratios produced may be vastly different and that could easily explain a difference in quality

MIMedGrower · May 16, 2020

Aqua Man said:
Gonna have to agree to disagree. It could only be attributed to nutrient differences. Plants only uptake inorganic nutrients no matter the source a nitrate is a nitrate. Sulfur is very influential for terps and flavonoids. Phosphorus in higher amounts has been link to less desirable products. Now in soil with microbiology there are some other compounds produced that may have an impact on these.

I'm not doubting your results or observations.... But I don't feel they are attributed to the difference sources. I will say with inorganic nutrients it's far easier to feed excess and create toxicity which can negatively affect quality. But I just can scientifically accept it's based on source. Like I say all sources need to be broken down into inorganic nutrients in order to be available to the plant. In the end they are all the same. The ratios produced may be vastly different and that could easily explain a difference in quality

I tend to agree. Variables usually explain everything we see rather than what we are seeking to prove.

However plant based protiens are short chained and would be easier and faster to break down into available nutrients than long chained animal protiens.

So if nutrients were unavailable and we topdress for example veganic nutes might work faster.

Foutwenty71 · May 16, 2020

Holy cowpaddies ......lol...i go to see my medicine man and this topic's still raging....I gotta lot to read

4TREESCANNABIS · May 16, 2020

I use molasses to increase the microbial culture in the medium (usually Rockwool or coconut husk) and add carbs for bulkening.

MIMedGrower · May 16, 2020

4TREESCANNABIS said:
I use molasses to increase the microbial culture in the medium (usually Rockwool or coconut husk) and add carbs for bulkening.

Now adding microbes to a neutral medium to break down organic nutrients makes sense.

But not sure carbs are uptaken by plants. Dont think so. They produce their own.

Thats what jorje cervantes thought he observed. Feed sugar watch bigger buds grow. But it was just normal growth he was seeing.

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