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Just popped in to my hydro store to find a sunlight supply rep, I overloaded dude with questions. He guaranteed that Fox Farm DID NOT sell out to Monsanto. He swears that Fox Farms is still owned by the same guy (old hippy) whom supposedly stated that he would never sell out to such a company.
Literally took place 20 mins ago. This is just the word from a rep that has been with Sunlight for 4+ years. Now could he be lying? possibly... but he seemed pretty honest and actually helped me save quite a bit of money on my future purchases.
Now back to farming!
Z
Monsanto/Scotts are both publicly traded companies. There is no question such an acquisition would be publicized.
If the first 3 results google turns up on this come from MJ websites you can bet the damn farm (har har) that it didn't happen.
What is more likely:
A competitor leaked this rumor to gain an economic advantage over FF.
OR
Some dumbass just said it because they are dumb (my personal guess).
Again, you're conflating size of crop with value. At 2500 a pound and up, it doesn't take a lot of volume for the marijuana industry to make more money. I'm also talking about the whole pot industry, too- not just the legal sliver at the top of the iceberg.
it's just...what interest would monsanto/scotts have for fox farm? Monsanto is a seed company, scotts is a fertilizer/soil company. neither one makes money serving the public sector. In fact, they've almost completely cut you out of growing plants...monsanto provides mainly for commercial farmers, scotts to commercial farmers as well as the lawn care/landscape industry. Sure, you can buy scotts dirt and monsanto seeds at home depot, but IMO those sales aren't doing anything but cutting you out of buying REAL plants and REAL fertilizer to use in a REAL garden. These companies have completely gone around sustenance level gardening, and I really believe we'll start feeling the chokehold this year.
I feel that you greatly misunderstand the world of big business.
If it's a profitable company and they felt they could roll it into their industrial process--they would have every interest in acquiring Fox Farm.
It's not about targeting specific industries, it's about overhead, revenue, and profit--nothing more or less. You've failed to mention even one of the three.
In terms of this "chokehold" you speak of I'm really at a loss to understand what you mean (excepting their seed business which many feel is slowly taking over the country through cross-pollination and business acquisitions). That won't be felt anywhere but big agrobusiness and grocery stores for the next 20 years or so. You'll still be quite capable of buying real plants and ferts for at least that long. There is no obstructionism there as of yet from monsanto--not on the little guy at least.
On farmers, sure--no question. Not on gardeners.
Squiggs if you can tell me wtf M-77 chelation technology is I have some friends who would be quite relieved. They are freaking out b/c they just saw it on the bag and can't find out what it is haha
squiggs you make it sound like we had a choice in it all...but how do you have a choice when there are always other capitalists with more capitol than you looking to capitalize on you, even if you're not planning on capitalizing any time soon. "They" created this situation for consumers. and who are they? Capitalists...the people in charge of the corporations that are putting americans out of jobs, making them fat, and making us forget how to care.
"once and for all it's us -- not them"
once and for all it's us AND them - whether we like it or not.
the whole idea of private ownership just seems so sad to me - when you get down to some common sense it actually would appear to be the root of all evil...
WS, thanks for sharing your first hand experience. Squiggs, i like your input. A little harsh, but also true.
Topics such as these always leave me questioning myself of what can i do... i feel leading by example will make life more strainuous. I worry for my children. Just gotta keep my head up.Z
I think the answer her is don't use herbicide. If u don't want weeds do the manual labor to get rid of them,. Then u won't have to resort to their prison scheme.Monsanto is spawn of the corporate devil. How can a company make herbicide, then be allowed to hold a patent on a seed that survives the herbicide? That's domination on a whole new level. Spray the herbicide EVERYwhere, then hold the only seeds that are viable.
A little bird told me that Monsanto has bought Fox farm. Has anyone else heard this, and can it be confirmed. If this is true im pouring that shit down the drain, and encourage others to do the same. Companies like Monsanto are the enemy of mankind and care only about money.
My name is Milo Lou Shammas and I own Dr. Earth. We are 100% independent of Scott's Miracle Gro and Monsanto and have never sold our company to anyone, nor are we for sale. I also know Willie the owner of Fox Farms personally and I also know he still independent of Scott's Miracle Gro and Monsanto. These are rumors thrown around by cyber bullies working for our competitors because they make terrible products and the only way they can stir things up is to spread ugly rumors that are lies and also don't do the organic community any justice. I AM HERE TO TELL EVERYONE FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL. DR. EARTH IS INDEPENDENT AND HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH MONSANTO OR SCOTT'S. The gentleman's comments above is the smartest one I have read today. Both Monsanto and Scott's are publicly traded companies and "everything" has to be disclosed to the shareholders or they can be fined millions of dollars. The internet is a beautiful platform to learn and grow, but its also a place where rumor-mills can be disseminated free of charge and hurt really good companies trying to do the right thing!I had heard this awhile back around December 2011, but then a few store owners posted on another thread regarding the buy out and this is what waas sais over all "a while back and said it was confirmed the Monsanto/Scott's bought fox farms. [rant start] I've learned since that is was Dr. Earth products that they bought and ff is still family owned and they turned down the offer. Just a FYI because I see dr earth in my hydroshop catalog now and Monsanto needs to start fucking off." FOx farm corp has stated they were not purchased.
Maybe something has changed in the last 3 months? ANy true confirmation on the floating rumor?
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