Name That Deficiency

EventHorizan · Mar 14, 2017

Bro don't up the feed on them. They are hurting. The leaves are very droopy and its not up taking what your giving it properly. We either have a root issue or we need to inspect what your giving her and reduce the N.
I believe we have root issues. .. I'm sorry I can't take the time to help you..
Quick quick.. tell me what your giving again? How big is your reservoir?

EventHorizan · Mar 14, 2017

Just off the top of my head here is my advice! Flush everything....
Actually link me to your system that you bought so I can understand exactly what you have..
But I would flush and run just the basic nute and ph..
We need to get them healthy real quick then you can flip...
Sorry break is over....

DenBloom · Mar 14, 2017

I have not increased the feed program yet, still getting 830-840 ppm(700) 4 x a day. Current program-
OSA28- .5 ml/gal
Micro- 3ml/gal
Bloom- 4.2ml/gal
Grow-3ml/gal
Calmag- 2.75ml/gal
Epsom salt-.3 grams/gal
Hydroguard- 2ml/gal

50 gallon reservoir
pH- 5.7-6.2, more so in the 5.8-6.0
Res temp- 72 degrees Fahrenheit

DenBloom · Mar 14, 2017

System is 4gallon version of the
https://www.hydroponics.net/items/details/multiflow.php

EventHorizan · Mar 14, 2017

DenBloom said:
System is 4gallon version of the
https://www.hydroponics.net/items/details/multiflow.php

Link is broke... I want to know what the master controller is... how many grows have you done? With this system?

Your problem lies in your mix of micro, grow and bloom 3 part. I'm gonna have you flush the plants and we gonna mix a new res. I get with u tonight.

EventHorizan · Mar 14, 2017

Lucas FormulaGeneral Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Read this and we will talk tonight... they have N toxicity, and that's causing a lockout... imo...

So how big is your res? You do have ro water right?

EventHorizan · Mar 14, 2017

DenBloom said:
I have not increased the feed program yet, still getting 830-840 ppm(700) 4 x a day. Current program-
OSA28- .5 ml/gal
Micro- 3ml/gal
Bloom- 4.2ml/gal
Grow-3ml/gal
Calmag- 2.75ml/gal
Epsom salt-.3 grams/gal
Hydroguard- 2ml/gal

50 gallon reservoir
pH- 5.7-6.2, more so in the 5.8-6.0
Res temp- 72 degrees Fahrenheit

Show me where you got the feed chart your using. Im home now and got a few mins to talk with you. Are you around?

EventHorizan · Mar 14, 2017

Im gonna post lil things that are food for thought for you!

Using a pure hydroponics system like DWC or recirculating like flood tables is good with OSA/28 for sure. The biggest benefit is that silicic acid gets into the roots fast and easy, even without soil or microbes. Downside is that the silicic acid will not last in available form for the life of a reservoir over a couple days. Most of the silicic acid is used up in a couple days. DO NOT add more OSA/28 to a reservoir with nutrients as the silicic acid will not activate properly.

Use OSA/28 at 0.6ml per gallon with your standard fertilizer mix at the beginning of the week.

Since OSA/28 will be mostly used up or polymerized in a couple days, it's a good idea to supplement with a foliar application mid-week (day 4-5).

EventHorizan · Mar 14, 2017

I dont think the mid week foliar is needed imo

EventHorizan · Mar 14, 2017

This is gh 3 part recirculating feed chart... I would use week 3, so how much does your system hold? not your resevoir but the system it self..

http://gh.growgh.com/docs/Feedcharts/GH_FloraSeries-REC_03216am.pdf

DenBloom · Mar 14, 2017

Whoa, Thankyou Event, this is my first run with this system, google greentrees Multiflow system.

I ran the Lucas formula For 3 years before I switched to this, had great success but noticed more vigorous growth with this formula, I was contemplating going back to Lucas.

DenBloom · Mar 14, 2017

Also, I have the OSA28 Hydro Formula which comes with a buffering agent to condition the water to prevent polymerization and make it last longer. OSA rep told me .5ml/gal of OSA, 4grams per gallon of the buffer.

DenBloom · Mar 14, 2017

EventHorizan said:
Lucas FormulaGeneral Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Read this and we will talk tonight... they have N toxicity, and that's causing a lockout... imo...

So how big is your res? You do have ro water right?

Res is huge but I mix 50 gals, tap water is at 180-200, I use a smalboy to not much effect, my EVO1000 was stolen from me and I have yet to get another RO filter

EventHorizan · Mar 15, 2017

DenBloom said:
Whoa, Thankyou Event, this is my first run with this system, google greentrees Multiflow system.

I ran the Lucas formula For 3 years before I switched to this, had great success but noticed more vigorous growth with this formula, I was contemplating going back to Lucas.

Lucas for the win!

EventHorizan · Mar 15, 2017

So I'm eager to see these girls in a week.. Flip to flower then if we get her feeding good again!

JMcG · Mar 15, 2017

EventHorizan... dude... seriously , you rock!

DenBloom · Mar 15, 2017

I just gotta say here that @EventHorizan is the man! He took some time out of his day and had a convo with me to help me out, and he definitely knows his stuff!

EventHorizan · Mar 15, 2017

JMcG said:
EventHorizan... dude... seriously , you rock!

Appreciate it! I guess your girls are doing good?

DenBloom said:
I just gotta say here that @EventHorizan is the man! He took some time out of his day and had a convo with me to help me out, and he definitely knows his stuff!

Again appreciate it... just remember it's a process... and the best plant is one that never has problems all the way thru... I'm better at keeping looking good than bringing them back from the brink of death.... I'm evolving and I don't mind passing what I know on... I be around more after this weekend to shoot the shit... keep me informed on the girls. And you know leaves will stay jacked up looking, but your new growth should look good... then we can lollipop and clean them up a lil...

JMcG · Mar 16, 2017

Agreed!
Yes , my ladies are doing well. New run, new nutes, raised ec a bit and looking good so far!

incogneato · Mar 16, 2017

DenBloom said:
I just gotta say here that @EventHorizan is the man! He took some time out of his day and had a convo with me to help me out, and he definitely knows his stuff!

Yea I guess he's ok, but can he battle rap? :shockedninja: Real talk tho, that's why I tagged him, he's legit

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