Need advice for my LED

AttackPanda · Nov 24, 2019

Hello everyone! This is my first time posting to this website so please forgive me if this is in the wrong section or if I break any rules. I just need some advice on the distance I should put this LED from the plants, it claimed on amazon when I brought it to be 1500 watts and it is quite powerful, easily killing just starting seedlings, I've already fried a few trying to use this one, so I started these 3 with 2 lamps that were pretty weak so it caused some stretching so now I put the bigger light on them again. I am basically just trying to figure out the right distance to keep these alive and getting the right amount of light, I am doing this grow on a really tight budget as I smoke for medical purposes and am very broke and trying to get disability so I am doing everything as cheap as possible hence the materials used.

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Chris Mullen · Nov 24, 2019

AttackPanda said:
Hello everyone! This is my first time posting to this website so please forgive me if this is in the wrong section or if I break any rules. I just need some advice on the distance I should put this LED from the plants, it claimed on amazon when I brought it to be 1500 watts and it is quite powerful, easily killing just starting seedlings, I've already fried a few trying to use this one, so I started these 3 with 2 lamps that were pretty weak so it caused some stretching so now I put the bigger light on them again. I am basically just trying to figure out the right distance to keep these alive and getting the right amount of light, I am doing this grow on a really tight budget as I smoke for medical purposes and am very broke and trying to get disability so I am doing everything as cheap as possible hence the materials used. View attachment 913782 View attachment 913783 View attachment 913784

Best advice i can give is to find the acutal watts of your led system, you can only know by experimenting, maybe make a new seyup with just a 50w led buld or some fluecents to get your seedlings started, on my led system, i have actual watts of 450, i started 24" (inches)veg and 15/18" flower, download a lux light meter or get one from amazon cheap, this will help you determin how much light your plants is hetting.

ozarkgrey · Nov 24, 2019

Morning ,
those pots are very large for new seedlings. perhaps keeping them in solo cups longer would help prevent them from getting so 'leggy'. as a rule 18"-24" is the distance i use for my light height and then dial it in from there, as much feel from the plants as it is science. keep a close eye on your soil, PH & PPM . i noticed the light has two switches, is one for veg and one for bloom? if so ensure your are on the veg setting. also temp and RH in that small space are a issue . i wish you the best and promise more senior members will be along to offer more and better advise. as a last resort i might even start one and keep a log of everything until you get it dialed in and then start filling the grow space, logic being its better to lose one than many on the field of battle. BOL again after looking at your pics i think smaller pots would help prevent such rapid upward growth that fast by keeping the root system tighter in the early sages.

OG

AttackPanda · Nov 24, 2019

ozarkgrey said:
Morning ,
those pots are very large for new seedlings. perhaps keeping them in solo cups longer would help prevent them from getting so 'leggy'. as a rule 18"-24" is the distance i use for my light height and then dial it in from there, as much feel from the plants as it is science. keep a close eye on your soil, PH & PPM . i noticed the light has two switches, is one for veg and one for bloom? if so ensure your are on the veg setting. also temp and RH in that small space are a issue . i wish you the best and promise more senior members will be along to offer more and better advise. as a last resort i might even start one and keep a log of everything until you get it dialed in and then start filling the grow space, logic being its better to lose one than many on the field of battle. BOL again after looking at your pics i think smaller pots would help prevent such rapid upward growth that fast by keeping the root system tighter in the early sages.

OG

Chris Mullen said:
Best advice i can give is to find the acutal watts of your led system, you can only know by experimenting, maybe make a new seyup with just a 50w led buld or some fluecents to get your seedlings started, on my led system, i have actual watts of 450, i started 24" (inches)veg and 15/18" flower, download a lux light meter or get one from amazon cheap, this will help you determin how much light your plants is hetting.

https://www.amazon.com/Yehsence-Tri...574600972&sprefix=1500+watt+le,aps,154&sr=8-7
This is the light I got, if that helps at all.

AttackPanda · Nov 24, 2019

ozarkgrey said:
Morning ,
those pots are very large for new seedlings. perhaps keeping them in solo cups longer would help prevent them from getting so 'leggy'. as a rule 18"-24" is the distance i use for my light height and then dial it in from there, as much feel from the plants as it is science. keep a close eye on your soil, PH & PPM . i noticed the light has two switches, is one for veg and one for bloom? if so ensure your are on the veg setting. also temp and RH in that small space are a issue . i wish you the best and promise more senior members will be along to offer more and better advise. as a last resort i might even start one and keep a log of everything until you get it dialed in and then start filling the grow space, logic being its better to lose one than many on the field of battle. BOL again after looking at your pics i think smaller pots would help prevent such rapid upward growth that fast by keeping the root system tighter in the early sages.

OG

Chris Mullen said:
Best advice i can give is to find the acutal watts of your led system, you can only know by experimenting, maybe make a new seyup with just a 50w led buld or some fluecents to get your seedlings started, on my led system, i have actual watts of 450, i started 24" (inches)veg and 15/18" flower, download a lux light meter or get one from amazon cheap, this will help you determin how much light your plants is hetting.

I tried posting a link to amazon but it won't let me for the light I got, but this is what it is on amazon if you want to look if it will help.
Yehsence 1500w LED Grow Light with Bloom and Veg Switch, (15W LED) Triple-Chips LED Plant Growing Lamp Full Spectrum with Daisy Chained Design for Professional Greenhouse Hydroponic Indoor Plants

AttackPanda · Nov 24, 2019

ozarkgrey said:
Morning ,
those pots are very large for new seedlings. perhaps keeping them in solo cups longer would help prevent them from getting so 'leggy'. as a rule 18"-24" is the distance i use for my light height and then dial it in from there, as much feel from the plants as it is science. keep a close eye on your soil, PH & PPM . i noticed the light has two switches, is one for veg and one for bloom? if so ensure your are on the veg setting. also temp and RH in that small space are a issue . i wish you the best and promise more senior members will be along to offer more and better advise. as a last resort i might even start one and keep a log of everything until you get it dialed in and then start filling the grow space, logic being its better to lose one than many on the field of battle. BOL again after looking at your pics i think smaller pots would help prevent such rapid upward growth that fast by keeping the root system tighter in the early sages.

OG

But alright I will try 24" and go from there I might have to have it higher than that. But thank you for the other great advice too I will try and keep all of those things in mind.

Moshmen · Nov 24, 2019

I disagree the containers you are in now are fine the stretch is partially from the light and partially normal! Some tie them to a tooth pick or something for support, I uppot already to Bury up to the col leaves. Remember all the work is happing under the soil right now (making roots) experimenting with the light is the correct answer and 24” is a good starting point . The veg and bloom switches really just turn off colored diodes therefore reducing the intensity of your lite! Right now definitely veg only! As the plant matures you will need the intensity !
Surf other grow diaries here to find something similar the answers are all here!

ozarkgrey · Nov 24, 2019

ok so you have too much light there for seedlings. also turn off the boom or flower light and only run the veg until you switch to flower. i think your running boom lights right now? if you are and turn that off it should fix your problem. otherwise only change one thing at a time so you know what fixed it. does that make sense?

1 turn off flower light and run veg
2 raise the lights up thats a lot light for new plants
3 check all your soil as above
4 transpant one into a smaller pot or start a new one in a solo cup and transplant up in pot sizes as needed.
5 check back here and keep us posted.
6 those veg light cycles are questionable
OG

ozarkgrey · Nov 24, 2019

How do you pot a seedling?
How to Pot up Seedlings

Fill individual 7.5cm (3 inch) pots with Westland John Innes No 1 Young Plant Compost. Make a hole big enough to take the roots of one seedling in each pot using a dibber or pencil. ...
Tap the pot to distribute the compost evenly around the roots. Water using a watering can with a fine spray.

OG

bigger pots like to early will encourage the roots to expand to quickly getting taller than needed at this age. yes the roots are pulling up the nuts but the distance they have to travel is pretty far now. making for a weak top plant and a weak stalk . lastly it is far more difficult to control large amount of soil when compared to a smaller unit of size.

OG

AttackPanda · Nov 24, 2019

Moshmen said:
I disagree the containers you are in now are fine the stretch is partially from the light and partially normal! Some tie them to a tooth pick or something for support, I uppot already to Bury up to the col leaves. Remember all the work is happing under the soil right now (making roots) experimenting with the light is the correct answer and 24” is a good starting point . The veg and bloom switches really just turn off colored diodes therefore reducing the intensity of your lite! Right now definitely veg only! As the plant matures you will need the intensity !
Surf other grow diaries here to find something similar the answers are all here!

ozarkgrey said:
ok so you have too much light there for seedlings. also turn off the boom or flower light and only run the veg until you switch to flower. i think your running boom lights right now? if you are and turn that off it should fix your problem. otherwise only change one thing at a time so you know what fixed it. does that make sense?

1 turn off flower light and run veg
2 raise the lights up thats a lot light for new plants
3 check all your soil as above
4 transpant one into a smaller pot or start a new one in a solo cup and transplant up in pot sizes as needed.
5 check back here and keep us posted.
6 those veg light cycles are questionable
OG

Alright thanks again guys, That is with only the veg light switched on, when the bloom light is turned on it goes from that pink to a deep red. So basically I'll just have to keep a close eye on it and lower the light as it tolerates it then? Should I start at 36" or even higher? Also they just turned about 2 weeks old, I think it's 15 days today actually, so I started giving them small amounts of nutes as well, half what fox farms says to use on the bottle, and I dilute as needed too. does that sound about right? Also how many sets of leaves should they have before I transfer them into a bigger container? Sorry this is my first grow and I am really trying to make sure i have this right, I am always doubting myself lol. My disability always causes me to be in a bit of a fog so it's hard for me sometimes.

Rootbound · Nov 24, 2019

All fixed now with the 1st pic....

ozarkgrey · Nov 24, 2019

looks right give it a shot, but remember light height will growth and light yield it goes both ways. i would not think you will need to transplant to anything larger for quite some time. try running your lights 18-6 till flower. i assume you are mixing all your fox farm in a large enough bucket to water each plant, makes it simple. get your PPM numbers right then PH the water and use as needed. BOL i'm sure you will do fine. not for nothing but if you happen to have a TBI like myself, yea that fog is the wrong kind hahah

OG

Moshmen · Nov 24, 2019

I would not give nutes yet . A inch or two can make a big difference! Start 24” and just move a couple inches at a time ! Not to drastic !
Number one mistake is overwatering/overfeeding that’s where you willl need to be careful

Moshmen · Nov 24, 2019

ozarkgrey said:
How do you pot a seedling?
How to Pot up Seedlings

Fill individual 7.5cm (3 inch) pots with Westland John Innes No 1 Young Plant Compost. Make a hole big enough to take the roots of one seedling in each pot using a dibber or pencil. ...

Tap the pot to distribute the compost evenly around the roots. Water using a watering can with a fine spray.

OG

bigger pots like to early will encourage the roots to expand to quickly getting taller than needed at this age. yes the roots are pulling up the nuts but the distance they have to travel is pretty far now. making for a weak top plant and a weak stalk . lastly it is far more difficult to control large amount of soil when compared to a smaller unit of size.

OG

We will just have to disagree , light intensity I believe you are correct the rest of the information provided is questionable in my opinion . Sorry for the confusion good luck and happy growing !

AttackPanda · Nov 24, 2019

Rootbound said:
All fixed now with the 1st pic....

Thank you lol.

ozarkgrey said:
looks right give it a shot, but remember light height will growth and light yield it goes both ways. i would not think you will need to transplant to anything larger for quite some time. try running your lights 18-6 till flower. i assume you are mixing all your fox farm in a large enough bucket to water each plant, makes it simple. get your PPM numbers right then PH the water and use as needed. BOL i'm sure you will do fine. not for nothing but if you happen to have a TBI like myself, yea that fog is the wrong kind hahah

OG

Thank you, Now I've been told by alot of people you can just run 24 hour lights and it will grow faster as it's a C3 plant and not a C4 plant or something like that, I can't remember, does anyone know if that's valid? or just stick to 18/6? and yes I use 1 gallon jugs and half the ratio on the fox farms bottle for seedlings. I don't have a PPM meter that is next on my list. I'm kinda winging it at the moment and hoping for the best.

Moshmen said:
I would not give nutes yet . A inch or two can make a big difference! Start 24” and just move a couple inches at a time ! Not to drastic !
Number one mistake is overwatering/overfeeding that’s where you willl need to be careful

Alright I understand, is there any good rule of thumb to know when to start nutes and how much to water them?

ozarkgrey · Nov 24, 2019

grab a good PH meter first then you can nab a PPM i too ball on a budget

OG

ozarkgrey · Nov 24, 2019

Moshmen said:
We will just have to disagree , light intensity I believe you are correct the rest of the information provided is questionable in my opinion . Sorry for the confusion good luck and happy growing !

sure sure i can only pass along what works for me and the amount of information i can take in via this forum , members like yourself and some great informational videos on the interweb .
BOL

OG

ozarkgrey · Nov 24, 2019

as they say it's sometimes as much style as it is science

OG

Moshmen · Nov 24, 2019

ozarkgrey said:
as they say it's sometimes as much style as it is science

OG

Absolutely! I can only speak of what works for me. And I have had way more success since I’ve given up on the science that the big nute company’s want us to think!
I def consider it a art form !

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