Nitrogen Deficiency In Early Flower

Minitiger · Jun 18, 2017

Like the title says, I'm experiencing what looks pretty obviously like a nitrogen deficiency in one of my plants. All of the plants are about three weeks into flower and all of them look good, except one of my The Fuzzes. The fan leaves are already yellowing up and I have at least six weeks left to go, if not seven. Does anybody have any advice on how to add a little nitrogen without extending the flower period?

I'm growing in three gallon smart pots, Coot's mix, all organic blah blah blah. I was thinking about adding maybe a teaspoon of fish meal top-dressed next watering, which is tomorrow. Do y'all think that that'd be sufficient? I don't want to add so much nitrogen that it extends flowering to like twelve or thirteen weeks, but something needs to be done asap. The fan leaves are fading fast. Do y'all think that a fish meal top-dress would be a little too "slow-release"? I'd prefer a remedy that kind of hits the plant quickly and then fades (for lack of a better word) quickly as well. Any ideas? Does one teaspoon top-dressed sound like enough so that it "fixes" the lack of nitrogen issue while at the same time maintaining a reasonable finish? I don't want the flowers to be spitting white pistils at week 12 or 13. Or 14 haha. Or what about a fish meal tea? Like maybe a tablespoon of fish brewed in a gallon of water for 24 hours and dump that on this one plant? I feel like that would be the fastest acting, which is what I think this plant needs right now. No slow release bullshit over the course of the next four weeks or so. I want something that kinda works immediately and gets used up pretty quickly, too. For obvious reasons.

Thanks, y'all.

Minitiger · Jun 18, 2017

Or maybe a foliar? Since it's just one plant, maybe one teaspoon of fish meal and a half gallon of water, shaken up real good? I'm only three weeks into flower and I'd take care to avoid budsites and maybe try to hit just the leaves. That'd probably be best, huh?

Smerb · Jun 19, 2017

You have many Q's? Top dress. Do you have a picture? You obviously know what your problem is, we can't see it to diagnose with you. Get a pic on here buddy. Well hope you get back on here.

Minitiger · Jun 19, 2017

Smerb said:
You have many Q's? Top dress. Do you have a picture? You obviously know what your problem is, we can't see it to diagnose with you. Get a pic on here buddy. Well hope you get back on here.

I do have many questions, yes, you are correct.

I was just in there looking at the plants. The more I looked at them, the more it was looking almost like an iron deficiency or possibly sulfur? I can rule out Mag and Calcium, it's definitely not that. The fan leaves closer to the top of the plant are lighter green and almost fading to yellow (some have, in fact, faded to yellow), but not splotchy like a Ca deficiency and the fading isnt starting from the outside in like a Mag issue. Some of the lower leaves are exhibiting "normal" nitrogen loss, but that's to be expected since I'm almost a month into flower now. The pale green/yellowish colored leaves are closer to the top.

I watered with some TM7 just now, hopefully that'll straighten it out. I also think it might've had something to do with the ph of the water I used for a couple weeks while I was without my RO filter. I had to use bottled water and that may have created some sort of lockout or something. Got my RO filter installed last Friday so hopefully that, combined with the TM7, will fix it. We'll see. The plants don't look unhealthy, but they don't look up to my standards. @Seamaiden if you're around, perhaps you could chime in. You always know, well, everything haha. Maybe straight water for the next few waterings and then, if things don't look greener, perhaps a little Sea 90?

Smerb · Jun 19, 2017

Minitiger said:
I do have many questions, yes, you are correct.

I was just in there looking at the plants. The more I looked at them, the more it was looking almost like an iron deficiency or possibly sulfur? I can rule out Mag and Calcium, it's definitely not that. The fan leaves closer to the top of the plant are lighter green and almost fading to yellow (some have, in fact, faded to yellow), but not splotchy like a Ca deficiency and the fading isnt starting from the outside in like a Mag issue. Some of the lower leaves are exhibiting "normal" nitrogen loss, but that's to be expected since I'm almost a month into flower now. The pale green/yellowish colored leaves are closer to the top.

I watered with some TM7 just now, hopefully that'll straighten it out. I also think it might've had something to do with the ph of the water I used for a couple weeks while I was without my RO filter. I had to use bottled water and that may have created some sort of lockout or something. Got my RO filter installed last Friday so hopefully that, combined with the TM7, will fix it. We'll see. The plants don't look unhealthy, but they don't look up to my standards. @Seamaiden if you're around, perhaps you could chime in. You always know, well, everything haha. Maybe straight water for the next few waterings and then, if things don't look greener, perhaps a little Sea 90?

You have all the products your quoting? Use them. Your putting out all the info you know, and it's sounding correct. How geeen do you want them? Do you have any Budswell, or powder guano? I'm sure you have something on that realm. Show a pic of your deficiency.... it'll help

dan1989 · Jun 19, 2017

Don't take my word for this, please do your research first, but depending on how yellow the leaves are and how many are affected, assuming it is a nitrogen deficiency, you may be near the plants sweet spot as far as nutrient intake goes. I was told that to make your plants taste the best, keep them on the edge of hungry so there's not too much nitrogen, chlorophyll etc left at the end when you harvest. It is my own understanding that the perfect harvest involves chopping down plants where as many of the fan leaves are yellow(ing) as possible without the buds being yellow. Check it out :)

fatawa · Jun 19, 2017

I agree with everyone else without a pic this thread is a fuckin joke but i never agreed with the yellowing out thing...do you starve yur tomato/pepper plants out as well?u dont wait for a fruit (or any vegetable for that matter) to spoil b4 picking....thats re-re

Minitiger · Jun 19, 2017

Smerb said:
You have all the products your quoting? Use them. Your putting out all the info you know, and it's sounding correct. How geeen do you want them? Do you have any Budswell, or powder guano? I'm sure you have something on that realm. Show a pic of your deficiency.... it'll help

Yes, love, I have all of the products I mentioned. And I just used them this morning, so, like I said, we'll see. Sorry, I'm a little distracted by somebody saying that this thread is "a fucking joke." But thanks for chiming in. I appreciate it. Gawd bless The Farm haha.

Minitiger · Jun 19, 2017

dan1989 said:
Don't take my word for this, please do your research first, but depending on how yellow the leaves are and how many are affected, assuming it is a nitrogen deficiency, you may be near the plants sweet spot as far as nutrient intake goes. I was told that to make your plants taste the best, keep them on the edge of hungry so there's not too much nitrogen, chlorophyll etc left at the end when you harvest. It is my own understanding that the perfect harvest involves chopping down plants where as many of the fan leaves are yellow(ing) as possible without the buds being yellow. Check it out :)

Yeah, ordinarily I'd think the same thing, but I'm less than a month into flower. This ain't my first rodeo haha, so if I'm asking, it's because I haven't seen something like what's going on in my grow before. I actually do think that the TM7 is gonna fix it right up. Whenever I'm like,"Hmmm.... what is this? I think I'll water with some TM7 and see what happens," my plants always look great a few days later. I usually only use the TM7 in veg, but the more I looked at them today, the more I thought that that would be the best way to go.

I definitely do my research before posting questions and ordinarily I just do what I feel like needs to be done. But I also love the helpful peeps here. Like I said, gawd bless The Farm.

Minitiger · Jun 19, 2017

fatawa said:
I agree with everyone else without a pic this thread is a fuckin joke but i never agreed with the yellowing out thing...do you starve yur tomato/pepper plants out as well?u dont wait for a fruit (or any vegetable for that matter) to spoil b4 picking....thats re-re

Yeah, you're right. This thread is a "fuckin joke." Thanks for your input, guy.

Minitiger · Jun 19, 2017

@dan1989 That was really the main reason I posted this query: flavor and smoke-ability. My flowers always taste amazing and the smoke is smooth as smooth can be. That's why I was apprehensive to add even a little bit of nitrogen when I'm a few weeks into flower. I don't want to affect the flavor/smoothness of the smoke and I know too much N can affect that, but I also don't want the plants to be "dying" (for lack of a better word) when they're only like seven weeks into flower. All of the strains I'm growing (The Fuzz, Tangerine Kush, Clusterfunk and El Jefe Thai) are gonna be ten weeks+ strains, with the exception of maybe the Clusterfunk. So that's why I was worried about adding a source of nitrogen as far along as I am.

After examining the plants this morning while watering, I really do think it's not a nitrogen deficiency after all. It's something else. I'll figure it out. If I have to, I'll post a pic in the next few days, if for no other reason than to make this thread not a "joke." I know it's just so hilarious when people ask questions and seek answers that might help other people besides myself. Thanks for not being above such a ridiculous query and helping brothers and sisters out.

dan1989 · Jun 20, 2017

fatawa said:
I agree with everyone else without a pic this thread is a fuckin joke but i never agreed with the yellowing out thing...do you starve yur tomato/pepper plants out as well?u dont wait for a fruit (or any vegetable for that matter) to spoil b4 picking....thats re-re

I don't grow tomatoes or peppers. I never said starve them too. If you don't agree with my comment, that's fine :) I'm sure you've grown out a good few plants using the technique I mentioned and saw that it produces clean tasting chemical free bud and a reduced curing time. But who wants to smoke that, hm?

Minitiger · Jun 20, 2017

dan1989 said:
I don't grow tomatoes or peppers. I never said starve them too. If you don't agree with my comment, that's fine :) I'm sure you've grown out a good few plants using the technique I mentioned and saw that it produces clean tasting chemical free bud and a reduced curing time. But who wants to smoke that, hm?

I don't agree with your comment! It's a fuckin joke!

Just kidding, @dan1989

In one of my posts, I misspoke and said seven weeks into flower. What I meant was seven weeks left to go, only about three and a half weeks into flower as of today. Like I said, I drenched with some TM7 and K Silicate today. I'm gonna start a little ACT in a few minutes, let it brew for thirty hours or so and then drench my plants with it next watering. Ordinarily, I wouldn't add an ACT this late into flower, but it just feels right to me to do that. I'm not someone who sticks to a specific regimen or anything, I mostly go by feel. And thus far, that's always worked for me.

We'll see what happens. It'll probably be a fuckin joke!

fatawa · Jun 20, 2017

Guess i dnt feed mine as heavy as you guys.i dnt need to get rid of tons of chemicals.last 2wks im on molassas n water (dwc)..smooth as can b.i didnt mean yur stupid @dan1989,so dnt take it that way.waiting for a fruit to start to spoil isnt peak time.right b4 is...thats with anything grown in ground.

fatawa · Jun 20, 2017

Minitiger said:
I'll figure it out. If I have to, I'll post a pic in the next few days, if for no other reason than to make this thread not a "joke."

at a boy.lmao...u will have to figure it out,cause without a pic u have everyone on here guessing n speculating..if u wantd help u wud of posted a pic..cant say leaves r wilting,or yellowing and ask y without a pic.theres multiple things that cud b wrong without us seeing..1+1=2.not rocket science

Smerb · Jun 20, 2017

Let's keep it happy. Stonie....

Smerb · Jun 20, 2017

Minitiger said:
Yes, love, I have all of the products I mentioned. And I just used them this morning, so, like I said, we'll see. Sorry, I'm a little distracted by somebody saying that this thread is "a fucking joke." But thanks for chiming in. I appreciate it. Gawd bless The Farm haha.

It's cool on the distraction. I hate to say but I see what's up. I'm the same way. I know what's going on but always love new advice. Keep growing @Minitiger , i do.

Smerb · Jun 20, 2017

Minitiger said:
I don't agree with your comment! It's a fuckin joke!

Just kidding, @dan1989

In one of my posts, I misspoke and said seven weeks into flower. What I meant was seven weeks left to go, only about three and a half weeks into flower as of today. Like I said, I drenched with some TM7 and K Silicate today. I'm gonna start a little ACT in a few minutes, let it brew for thirty hours or so and then drench my plants with it next watering. Ordinarily, I wouldn't add an ACT this late into flower, but it just feels right to me to do that. I'm not someone who sticks to a specific regimen or anything, I mostly go by feel. And thus far, that's always worked for me.

We'll see what happens. It'll probably be a fuckin joke!

Ever use this tea?

Smerb · Jun 20, 2017

At the socal cannabis cup the extreme booth was giving away samples. I should have went back 10 times.

Minitiger · Jun 20, 2017

Smerb said:
Ever use this tea?
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I haven't. I've never used a specific kind of "tea bag" or whatever, although I have considered using the one from Bu's. I'll brew an alfalfa meal tea or two in veg, maybe throw a little kelp in there, as well, but mostly I just brew a compost tea (4 gallons of water, 1.5 cups of compost or EWC and a third of a cup of molasses) at the beginning of veg and then the same tea at the beginning of flower. I didn't do the ACT at the beginning of flower this time, which may be one of the reasons why my fan leaves are yellowing. Like I said in the previous post, I've got a compost tea brewing right now, it'll be ready tomorrow morning and I'll drench with it then. We'll see what happens.

Btw, trolls get no love or even recognition on any of my threads. Let's hope this is the last we hear from you-know-who.

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