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Ran into this article and it echoes word for word what I've been telling folks for years. Didn't need a scientist to tell me...just would seem to be common sense but apparently not. I don't spray anything on my plants...NEVER, for this reason. I got to great lengths to keep contaminants from getting into my garden. Spraying chemicals on your buds then giving it to people who may have compromised immune systems or lung issues is NOT medicinal IMO. MGG

What Are You Smoking? Study Finds Pesticides Transfer To Marijuana Smoke
California - When you take a hit of marijuana, you might be inhaling a lot more than pot. During a recent presentation at Humboldt State University, Jeffrey Raber said a recent study he conducted found that up to 70 percent of the pesticides found on a marijuana bud can transfer to the smoke being inhaled. ”I think that what's so alarming to us is that such a huge amount of pesticide material could be transferred,” Raber said. “And, you have to consider that when you inhale (something), it's much like injecting it directly into your blood stream.”

Raber who holds a PhD in chemistry from the University of Southern California and runs The Werc Shop, a medical cannabis testing laboratory in Los Angeles -- spoke at HSU earlier this month as the latest speaker in the Humboldt Institute for Interdisciplinary Marijuana Research's lecture series. Titled “Medical Cannabis Quality Control in California: Keeping a Weed Free Garden,” Raber's talk covered an array of topics focused on laboratory testing of marijuana, including the dangers of lurking contaminants and pesticides.

On the pesticide issue, Raber said it's important to remember that smoking a marijuana bud that's been sprayed with chemicals is far different than eating a non-organic tomato. First and foremost, he said, there are no controls over what's sprayed on marijuana crops. And, while most people would rinse off a tomato before eating it, they can't wash a bud before putting it in their pipe. The body also has filters in place for things that are ingested, he said, but not for what's inhaled.

”You don't have the first pass metabolism of the liver,” he said. “You don't have the lack of absorptivity going through the stomach or the gut lining. It's a very different equation when you're inhaling.” Raber said about 10 percent of the marijuana that comes through his laboratory for testing registers positive for pesticides. Those samples are only from medical marijuana dispensaries and patients who have sought out testing, he said. In a small random study his laboratory performed, Raber said more than 35 percent of marijuana failed pesticide tests.

”I think all that says is we really, really need some serious regulations within California to help us clean up our supply, especially in the medical patient context,” Raber said. “These are people that are immunocompromised, they're undergoing chemotherapy, they're very sick with antibacterial loads. We can't be subjecting them to more of these types of potentially harmful contaminants when they're looking to this as a medicine source.”

Humboldt County Sheriff Mike Downey said his deputies have been finding massive amounts of high-powered pesticides at marijuana gardens throughout the county, many of which have posted medical marijuana recommendations meaning the marijuana grown there could be heading for collectives and, ultimately, to patients.

”I would be very concerned if I were a consumer,” Downey said. Downey said he's been looking for a study like Raber's to quantify the dangers of smoking pesticide-laden marijuana, and he hopes to see more. ”I think there needs to be some type of direct evidence of what (patients) are getting, what they're smoking, so the general public can start to understand what they're dealing with,” Downey said.

Raber's study only goes so far. He said his laboratory tests for 30 to 40 types of chemicals, and works off the United States Environmental Protection Agency intake limits for things like apples and pears. It's far from an exact science, and he said his laboratory hasn't done any testing looking at variations between specific pesticides. Downey said he'd like to see some studies specifically looking at cumulative impacts of inhaling these substances over the course of years, or even decades.

Mary Ellen Jerkavich, executive director of the Humboldt Patient Resource Center, said she believes marijuana is inherently a safe product, but is being turned into something decidedly unsafe by growers looking to maximize profits or save their crops by any means necessary when spider mites or other pests strike. ”When you (use pesticides), you've turned it into something different,” she said. “It's crazy. It's super scary.”

Jerkavich said her center grows all of its own product and doesn't use pesticides or other chemicals. The center sends samples to be tested, she said, trying to make sure it is offering patients a reliably consistent product. When initially looking for a testing laboratory, Jerkavich said the center sent samples to four labs to test for levels of THC, Cannabidiol and Cannabinol. Each lab returned vastly different results, she said.

That touches on another problem with the industry, according to Raber, who said that just as there is no licensing or oversight of growers, there is none for testing laboratories either. ”Unfortunately, today in California, anyone can pretty much call themselves a lab, which is sometimes pretty demeaning to the word,” he said. “There's no qualification.”

The pesticide issue was just a small point in Raber's larger talk at HSU, which touched on everything from erroneous branding at dispensaries and testing procedures to the various components of marijuana and the ways to determine the best strands to treat specific ailments. One theme was consistent, however. ”Buyer beware,” Raber said. “You should really look for lab-tested products. ... With no regulations and no quality control, anything that can be brought out to the market will go out to the market.”

Downey, who has gotten a close-up look at the some of the supply side of that market in Humboldt County, said the state really needs to step up to the plate and regulate the marijuana industry. ”We have legislators that are supposed to be dealing with this kind of thing, but they continue to bury their heads in the sand,” Downey said. “I think the general public is at risk. Where is the common sense in this? There is none.”

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Thanks bro for that eye opening, educational read! It's really scary to think of what we might be taking in without knowing it! That's the great thing about growing your own meds...you NEVER have to wonder what's been used or how they were grown! Thanks for taking the time to post this very informative article! Best, - Max
 
I agree bro. I've talked with peeps that think I'm crazy for doin what I do to keep the garden clean. But those same cats don't think its worth it b/c in their eyes they have some miracle spray to fix whatever ails the garden and refuse to realize the potential danger. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do in some sitches no doubt, but in those circumstances, the finished product shouldn't be given to sick patients IMO.
 
Are organic foliars ok like alfalfa wormcastings and compost teas?

They probably are, Caveman. I know allot of peeps swear by using teas/bennies for foliar application! I'm sure they're seeing benefits or they wouldn't use them. I'm a big believer in spraying nothing on my flowers. The only exception being if I have to do it or lose my crop! But I realize there are many, who will not agree. In short...I guess it's probably good, but I don't do it. Best, -Max :wacky:
 
ACT based foliar sprays are very beneficial and don't impart residues that could harm end users.

Spraying plants in the first half of bloom and throughout veg is great for them and makes healthy plants that grow faster! Just spray good stuff instead of nasty chemicals- and the last few sprays, add nothing at all...
 
Right Sea, and with concentrates the bad shit gets...yep you guessed it CONCENTRATED! That's the reason I cringe when I hear of folks using contaminated bud/trim to make concentrates and really wonder wtf they're thinking. To each his own and as that ol cliché goes...you can lead a horse to water.....MGG
 
”You don't have the first pass metabolism of the liver,” he said. “You don't have the lack of absorptivity going through the stomach or the gut lining. It's a very different equation when you're inhaling.”

“These are people that are immunocompromised, they're undergoing chemotherapy, they're very sick with antibacterial loads. We can't be subjecting them to more of these types of potentially harmful contaminants when they're looking to this as a medicine source.”

real good point. reckon many wouldn't consider it, but it's spot on. smoking pesticides n fungicides, makes me wanna puke just thinkin about it. so much worse if its bein given to cancer patients n other patients with genuine medical problems.

That touches on another problem with the industry, according to Raber, who said that just as there is no licensing or oversight of growers, there is none for testing laboratories either. ”Unfortunately, today in California, anyone can pretty much call themselves a lab, which is sometimes pretty demeaning to the word,” he said. “There's no qualification.”

fact is, if its legal, it's gotta be regulated. people hafta be able to know that what they're buyin and smokin is safe, period. that's one of the biggest issue with this bullshit war on drugs. it perpetuates unregulated n dangerous shit in the black market. inevitably it leads to somethin like some poor kid dyin from a pma overdose as that pill they bought didn't have mdma it in at all.

another point to consider, it that where weed is legal, it's still sittin in a precarious position legisaltion-wise n could be swung back into the illegal bin at any time. until there are solid regulations regardin quality out there, it's up to the growers in those places to ensure quality is high. if people start getting sick from bad product, it'll be incredibly damagin to the legal status of weed. it's got a bad rap over the last several decades, now the time we gotta change that public opinion.

great article bro, thanks for postin it. everyone needs to read this.

neverbreak
 
ACT based foliar sprays are very beneficial and don't impart residues that could harm end users.

Spraying plants in the first half of bloom and throughout veg is great for them and makes healthy plants that grow faster! Just spray good stuff instead of nasty chemicals- and the last few sprays, add nothing at all...

i wonder if that statement is accurate? repeated exposure to bacterial proteins can cause allergies. if buds are covered in concentrations of bacteria above what you'd find normally (i.e. resulting from compost teas) i wonder if it could lead to health issues? just ponderin, not sayin. i don't know either way.

neverbreak
 
We need the microscope lab guys to start chiming in cuz theres plenty of bacteria and fungus on organic food that's why that stuff goes bad faster and compost faster also
 
i wonder if that statement is accurate? repeated exposure to bacterial proteins can cause allergies. if buds are covered in concentrations of bacteria above what you'd find normally (i.e. resulting from compost teas) i wonder if it could lead to health issues? just ponderin, not sayin. i don't know either way.

neverbreak
I wonder the same exact thing. MGG
 
We need the microscope lab guys to start chiming in cuz theres plenty of bacteria and fungus on organic food that's why that stuff goes bad faster and compost faster also

Completely different when ingested orally as opposed to being incinerated and inhaled into the lungs. MGG
 
From what I've read and understand, I would guess it would really depend on how high the residual rate is with the particular spray you're using. MGG
 
Great thread. I organic farm...... veggies and MJJ.

Smart companion planting seems to keeps pests and diseases away....and compost soil is key. I am lucky to have natural spring water ph at a steady 6.5, If I ever have to spray (which is rare) I use a soap mix...and rinse it off in a few hours.

I shudder and cringe when I see the list of chemicals that often come with dispensary weed here in CO. They just douse the shit out of their plants and call it "maintainence." Who wants to smoke that shit? Not me...and that is the main reason I started growing my own.

Clean weed burns nice and smooth and leaves a fluffy white to grey ash. MJ sprayed with chemicals often leave a black sooty ash and if can often crackle. when burning
 
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Huh? My organic produce has always lasted longer than conventional. :eek:
Produce buddy at the market told me this maybe he's wrong I have a bad habbit of not thoroughly researching everything so you might be right
 
Great thread. I organic farm...... veggies and MJJ.

Smart companion planting seems to keeps pests and diseases away....and compost soil is key. I am lucky to have natural spring water ph at a steady 6.5, If I ever have to spray (which is rare) I use a soap mix...and rinse it off in a few hours.

I shudder and cringe when I see the list of chemicals that often come with dispensary weed here in CO. They just douse the shit out of their plants and call it "maintainence." Who wants to smoke that shit? Not me...and that is the main reason I started growing my own.

Clean weed burns nice and smooth and leaves a fluffy white to grey ash. MJ sprayed with chemicals often leave a black sooty ash and if can often crackle. when burning

Man I couldn't agree more. MGG
 
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