Outdoor Started Inside???

OutdoorOH · Feb 29, 2016

New here and first post, my outdoor season is coming near and I'm wanting to try something new this year. Wanting to get a jump on the season by starting my plants indoors until the time is right. Just wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction . I tried a few last year that were from cuts and 2 of the 4 started flowering as soon as I put them out. The other 2 went just fine. Only thing that was different in them was the strain. 2 cuts from one plant budded early and the other 2 from another strain went just fine never went to reveg. Also they were all close to each other where they were planted so the all were getting the same hours of sun. Just wanting to try to figure out what went wrong cause the 2 that flowered early never got enough time to veg and ended up small, although the finished product turned out nice. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks

GrowingGreen · Feb 29, 2016

You need to have some light out there so that they 18 hrs of light, nothing intense just normal light bulbs, right above yur plants this will keep them from switching to flower

OutdoorOH · Feb 29, 2016

GrowingGreen said:
You need to have some light out there so that they 18 hrs of light, nothing intense just normal light bulbs, right above yur plants this will keep them from switching to flower

I'm not in a spot to be able to have lights once I put them out

GrowingGreen · Feb 29, 2016

OutdoorOH said:
I'm not in a spot to be able to have lights once I put them out

Well that's the only way to keep them from flowering brother, any light little solar light, once summer is here you might not need it anymore, but they need 18 hrs

The Terps · Mar 1, 2016

What day did you put out? Last week of May first week of June works here in nor cal

GrowingGreen · Mar 1, 2016

I put mine outside now on those warm sunny days just before sundown I move em inside, in socal

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/outdoor-supersoil.78508/

Bulldog11 · Mar 1, 2016

Here in norcal, June 20th is safe for cuts. Seeds are good to go anytime now.

SpiderK · Mar 1, 2016

Just more stress ....

.. More unnatural steps taken that in the end hurt the end product. Plants have an internal time clock. Every single thing that goes against nature is stress upon the plant that will never recover. Doing some research with the older growers who did some testing ( or doing your own ) would be a good start.

Starting a plant early does nothing toward yield in the end. Many plants started two months later from seed outperform those stressed and started early.

MrRojos · Mar 1, 2016

Have to disagree..Plants started indoor months early have a tremendous affect on yield..
Yes they need to be hardened off.
And yes if put outside b4 season is ready they will flower..
Start inside in feburary---top them until bushy-- if no lights outside don't move outside until June 10th (in Colorado) --- harden off for a week-ish-----transplant into at least 200 gallons good soil...know how to grow--and tell me have no affect on yield when done.lol

OutdoorOH · Mar 1, 2016

SpiderK said:
Just more stress ....

.. More unnatural steps taken that in the end hurt the end product. Plants have an internal time clock. Every single thing that goes against nature is stress upon the plant that will never recover. Doing some research with the older growers who did some testing ( or doing your own ) would be a good start.

Starting a plant early does nothing toward yield in the end. Many plants started two months later from seed outperform those stressed and started early.

Thanks man that's kinda what I was wondering I guess I will just start my seeds closer to time to go outside. I usually put them out around beginning of may

OutdoorOH · Mar 1, 2016

MrRojos said:
Have to disagree..Plants started indoor months early have a tremendous affect on yield..
Yes they need to be hardened off.
And yes if put outside b4 season is ready they will flower..
Start inside in feburary---top them until bushy-- if no lights outside don't move outside until June 10th (in Colorado) --- harden off for a week-ish-----transplant into at least 200 gallons good soil...know how to grow--and tell me have no affect on yield when done.lol

Now that's what I wanted to hear. I figure starting inside and topping quite a few times before sending then our would improve size and yield tremendously

OutdoorOH · Mar 1, 2016

The Terps said:
What day did you put out? Last week of May first week of June works here in nor cal

Haven't started anything yet. I usually start my seeds end of April and plant them in their spots sometime beginning of may. But the cuts I tried last year I put outside around the end of June .

MrRojos · Mar 1, 2016

Check my thread summer time blues??not round here!!
This little plant has 30 tops and is like 8 inches tall..will soon have 60 tops..with practice u can keep them really compact but with tons of tops.
To much to elaborate on right now.
When ready to go outside this will be in a 10 gallon pot,extremely bushy but yet compact,and ready to completely explode into a monster bush in the summer sun and 200 gallons of living soil.

GrowingGreen · Mar 1, 2016

MrRojos said:
Check my thread summer time blues??not round here!!
This little plant has 30 tops and is like 8 inches tall..will soon have 60 tops..with practice u can keep them really compact but with tons of tops.
To much to elaborate on right now.
When ready to go outside this will be in a 10 gallon pot,extremely bushy but yet compact,and ready to completely explode into a monster bush in the summer sun and 200 gallons of living soil.

nice structure brother! She purty!

tj Wise · Mar 1, 2016

My plan is to go with 24 hours of bulb light until May 1, then slowly reduced to 14, cutting one hour of light per night. If the weather reports are good then start transplanting on May 10. But Harden off in early May with progressively more day sunlight so that on T day they are used to Full sun. It might take me a week to put all 30 out, so three plants for three days, then more, assuming all is well. This is "in general" not set in concrete. Thoughts?

Sht2loud · Mar 1, 2016

SpiderK said:
Just more stress ....

.. More unnatural steps taken that in the end hurt the end product. Plants have an internal time clock. Every single thing that goes against nature is stress upon the plant that will never recover. Doing some research with the older growers who did some testing ( or doing your own ) would be a good start.

Starting a plant early does nothing toward yield in the end. Many plants started two months later from seed outperform those stressed and started early.

tj Wise said:
My plan is to go with 24 hours of bulb light until May 1, then slowly reduced to 14, cutting one hour of light per night. If the weather reports are good then start transplanting on May 10. But Harden off in early May with progressively more day sunlight so that on T day they are used to Full sun. It might take me a week to put all 30 out, so three plants for three days, then more, assuming all is well. This is "in general" not set in concrete. Thoughts?

ur idea on the light cut back is pretty close to wat I did before and I had some flower right away and some grow just fine. A buddy of mine showed me a post on here awhile back and it talked about this situation and he said that max light hours u should cut is a hour a week. Anymore than that can stress them bad. Would like to get more input on how to cut light back correctly

Blaze · Mar 1, 2016

Don't put them under 24 hour light, they will almost certainly flower once they go outside if you do that. You should not even root your clones under 24 hours light or keep your mother plants under 24 hours of light if you want to put them outside, it will often cause issues. You need to look at how much light your spot will get at your planting date (between May 21 and June 21 works for most locations and strains) and then slowly reduce the amount of light by no more than 15 minutes per week until the light cycles match up. If you drop them by 1 hour per night they will flower on you, that is far to much far to fast. Reducing all the way down to 14 hours will make them flower almost for sure as well. Most strains cannot go below 15 hours, give or take, without flowering.

Right now my mother plants are on 18 hours of light. Starting this week I will be dropping them by 15 minutes per week (subsequent clones will be on the same light cycle). By the last week of May I'll be down to 15 hours of light total - the same amount they will be getting once I move them outside. Then they go for 1 week to harden off outside for a June 1 planting. Works 95% of the time for just about every strain.

Also the strain does play a huge part in this. Earlier strains flower easier and are more difficult to adjust. Later strains are much easier to adjust. Generally any strain that flowers before Oct. 1 is going to be difficult to adjust for outdoor.

Also Spider K is correct about getting a really early start not having any affect on yield. If anything, it will hurt your yield. You want, young, healthy plants, not old, big plants when you move them outside. I would not start clones any earlier than Mar 15, but don't go later than April 15. The size of the plant when it goes out has little to no affect on final size and yield.

MrRojos · Mar 1, 2016

GrowingGreen said:
nice structure brother! She purty!

Thanks man:) top,suppercrop,bend,tie,basically do whatever u have to do to really sculpt it into what u want.check my thread in a month an that plant will be like 2 ft tall with like a shiiiiiiiiit ton of lil tops nice and compact.
Bundling the inside branches after they recover from the bending allows u to really shape it up nicely!
Once outdoor will never have to top again and will by itself form into a awesome shape:)

OutdoorOH · Mar 1, 2016

MrRojos said:
Check my thread summer time blues??not round here!!
This little plant has 30 tops and is like 8 inches tall..will soon have 60 tops..with practice u can keep them really compact but with tons of tops.
To much to elaborate on right now.
When ready to go outside this will be in a 10 gallon pot,extremely bushy but yet compact,and ready to completely explode into a monster bush in the summer sun and 200 gallons of living soil.

I was reading threw your thread last night man, got me pumped to drop some beans and get the party started

OutdoorOH · Mar 1, 2016

Blaze said:
Don't put them under 24 hour light, they will almost certainly flower once they go outside if you do that. You should not even root your clones under 24 hours light or keep your mother plants under 24 hours of light if you want to put them outside, it will often cause issues. You need to look at how much light your spot will get at your planting date (between May 21 and June 21 works for most locations and strains) and then slowly reduce the amount of light by no more than 15 minutes per week until the light cycles match up. If you drop them by 1 hour per night they will flower on you, that is far to much far to fast. Reducing all the way down to 14 hours will make them flower almost for sure as well. Most strains cannot go below 15 hours, give or take, without flowering.

Right now my mother plants are on 18 hours of light. Starting this week I will be dropping them by 15 minutes per week (subsequent clones will be on the same light cycle). By the last week of May I'll be down to 15 hours of light total - the same amount they will be getting once I move them outside. Then they go for 1 week to harden off outside for a June 1 planting. Works 95% of the time for just about every strain.

Also the strain does play a huge part in this. Earlier strains flower easier and are more difficult to adjust. Later strains are much easier to adjust. Generally any strain that flowers before Oct. 1 is going to be difficult to adjust for outdoor.

Also Spider K is correct about getting a really early start not having any affect on yield. If anything, it will hurt your yield. You want, young, healthy plants, not old, big plants when you move them outside. I would not start clones any earlier than Mar 15, but don't go later than April 15. The size of the plant when it goes out has little to no affect on final size and yield.

Thanks for the info man. I think that was my problem that the cuts I got came from 24 hours of light and went straight to outside. Only thing that had me confused was that one strain did flower and the other didn't. Thanks again

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