Paying my Dues.. Electrical knowledge

dentonland · Nov 29, 2010

Hey farmers...
I've learned so much from ya threads.... years of your trials and errors to become the sickest mofos around that i feel i need to pay back so hit me up with any electrical questions... I'm normally around every evening. Thanks for all the help
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FLB · Nov 29, 2010

like your style denton.....I'm getting ready to post some pics on an alternative to the tents and for half the cost. I just finished a 2200 sq ft room buildout with five seperate rooms for under $3 a sq ft. That's a 1/3 of the cost of most tents out there. There is a little labor involved though.

altitudefarmer · Nov 29, 2010

Way to pay it forward, bro.

weedfarm · Nov 29, 2010

what is your electrical experience?

dentonland · Nov 30, 2010

You got lots of room flb. I like seeing new builds from scratch.. cant wait to see your hotel and all its room.. good luck

You bet a.f. Hope to lend a helping hand

Im an electrical contractor in the states.. doing it for 20 years... I better know the answers or i'll be trippin. Better move on and stop building houses and try my new career..salute

Dunge · Nov 30, 2010

If I pull all the 120 V power I need off of one leg will my meter spin at the same rate as if I split my load over both legs of a single phase power box?
Question restated: does balancing the load on a single phase save power charges?
I intend to stay as low power as I can, and I will run more wire if it saves on the bill.
Thanks for the offer of help.

SupraSPL · Nov 30, 2010

Hi DL. Any idea how I could go about setting up an automated flap on a thermostat? I have a few 120v thermostats already on hand.

I noticed that opening the door to the grow cools it much more efficiently than the fan during the cold season so it has got me wondering how to automate the opening and closing of the door (a lightweight foam door). TIA for any advice you might have.

dentonland · Nov 30, 2010

hey rounge.. running 240v if you can does lower electrical costs. Its better not to use an extension cord if you can... they heat up with all the power goin thru them. Keep it to less that 50 feet if you have to use it and make sure its 12 guage wire. Balancing the loads when on 120v wont save u any money.... only on 240v. hope this helps

dentonland · Nov 30, 2010

supra.... some thermostats 120v can have a relay wire to control other devices. So many out there you'll have to look at instructions ...not as much a/c knowledge as electrical here...are you trying to have your foam door open and close with the thermostat??

FLB · Nov 30, 2010

SupraSPL said:
Hi DL. Any idea how I could go about setting up an automated flap on a thermostat? I have a few 120v thermostats already on hand.

I noticed that opening the door to the grow cools it much more efficiently than the fan during the cold season so it has got me wondering how to automate the opening and closing of the door (a lightweight foam door). TIA for any advice you might have.

They sell an outlet activated by a thermostat which would activate an inline fan. You could run an intake and exhaust fan all running off the same outlet which is controlled by the thermostat. You can make your own, but finding the right transformer might be a challenge if you live in the sticks.

dentonland · Nov 30, 2010

The outlets for the accessories are designed the same... its the unit controlling the outlet is what your thinking of. I recently put in a dual circuit (2 pole) contactor with a 24v coil for an outdoor pump system. Your control wire 120v,12v or 24v runs from your Tstat directly to the relay, (contactor) and lets the circuits coming from the main connect with the outlet. Then theres no load on the Tstat and you can operate different types of equipment with different voltages. The main issue is finding a Tstat with a control output wire. `

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weedfarm · Nov 30, 2010

dentonland said:
hey rounge.. running 240v if you can does lower electrical costs. Its better not to use an extension cord if you can... they heat up with all the power goin thru them. Keep it to less that 50 feet if you have to use it and make sure its 12 guage wire. Balancing the loads when on 120v wont save u any money.... only on 240v. hope this helps

So if I run my 1000W ballast on 240 versus 120, I will save on my electric bill?

dentonland · Nov 30, 2010

Yes sir weedfarm. If ya got easy access to it where your growing its definitely the way to go. You can add one more 1000 watter on that same line with a max 2000 watts per 20 amp two pole breaker

weedfarm · Nov 30, 2010

weedfarm said:
So if I run my 1000W ballast on 240 versus 120, I will save on my electric bill?

dentonland said:
Yes sir weedfarm. If ya got easy access to it where your growing its definitely the way to go. You can add one more 1000 watter on that same line with a max 2000 watts per 20 amp two pole breaker

20 years as an electrical contractor and that is your answer? Please do not give anymore electrical advice. Growers come to forums like these since they can not call an electrician. Their homes and lives depend on the advice given. I also saw you give bad advice in another thread

OHMS law is Watts= Volts x Amps

It does not matter how you get there, a 1000W ballast uses 1000 watts.

The power company charges you by watts used, not volts. Running lights on 240V will NOT save you any money on your electric bill. It makes wiring easier and more efficient.

Furthermore, you do not run 2000W of lights on a 20A breaker at 120V.

BTW, I have done electrical work on residential, and commercial jobs. I have also designed and wired grows from 4k to 35k

Underground · Nov 30, 2010

Power consumption is power consumption. Many people, including many electricians, are misguided into believing it's cheaper to run 240volt versus 120volt. Mostly those that got their licenses grandfathered. The installation is a little cheaper on 240.

To the one asking about a door, you can get an electric damper for ductwork that runs off 120

weedfarm · Nov 30, 2010

Underground said:
. Many people, including many electricians, are misguided into believing it's cheaper to run 240volt versus 120volt. Mostly those that got their licenses grandfathered.

this is electric 101. no excuses

Papa · Nov 30, 2010

. . . and since we're on basics . . . let me note (as i did recently did in another thread), there is no such thing as a 1,000 watt ballast.

a core and coil ballast for a 1,000 watt lamp will draw something closer to 1,100 watts. exactly how much varies depending on manufacturer and model.

Papa

Underground · Nov 30, 2010

That's because of the power factor. The power factor is probably .9 or 90%. 1.1 is the reciprical of .9 so multiplying it by the 1000W rating will get you 1111 Watts

dentonland · Dec 1, 2010

You guys are nuts.. im not gona bother responding to your input... your wrong about the power consumption and yes i know ohms law weed,,,, go smoke some and chill out.. i will give my knowledge to whom asks... go tell your mom what to do. not me , You know what i'll do for ya.. go put my dig reader on and i'll tell ya it says its drawing...

dentonland · Dec 1, 2010

weed farmer.. reread the top post. I wrote you can put another light on that 20 amp two pole.. that means 240v... two pole..
you could even squeeze it on a 120v
and its not any easier wiring 240v vs 120v... just a change of wire color.

AND WEEDFARM WHY THE HECK ARE YOU ASKING A QUESTION LIKE YOU DID WHEN YOU HAVE DESIGNED YOUR AWESOMEEEEEEE MULTII $$$$ PROJECTS.....

Dont bother replying just stay outta my thread..
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