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HazeVentura · Jul 6, 2009

Hello farmers,

i have a problem at my current grow. some plants look like theyy get slowly sick and then die.... here some pics...

they are in cocos with AH nutes, only some plants most are ok....so far.....

ph is at 5.9 ec 1,4

justanotherbozo · Jul 6, 2009

mornin' bro, sorry i don't have a direct answer as i'm no expert.

to me it looks like some kind of nute lock-out.

anyway, here is a troubleshooting form for you to fill out, just
answer all the pertinent questions so, when an expert happens
along, they will have as much info as you can provide.

btw, this troubleshooting form was compiled by Rusty Trichome
over at can.com so he deserves the credit, not me.

Soil Grows - Peat Based

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
.2) Distance from tops?
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
.8) Size of container.

Your nutrients and water:
.9) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
10) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
11) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
12) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
13) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
14) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
15) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
16) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
17) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?

Your growroom:
18) Indoors or outdoors?
19) What size of closet, room or hut?
20) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
21) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?

Your strain:
22) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
23) From seeds or clones?
24) Is this an autoflower strain?

Hydro Grows - Coco, NFT, Hempy Bucket...

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
What type of hydro set-up are you running?

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
B) Distance from tops?
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
G) Size of reservoir?

Your nutrients and water:
H) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
I) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
J) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
K) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
L) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps)
M) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
N) Does the ph fluctuate?
O) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)
P) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes?

Your growroom:
Q) What size of closet, room or hut?
R) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
S) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
T) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy?

Your strain:
U) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
V) From seeds or clones?[/QUOTE]
W) Is this an autoflower strain?

still smokin · Jul 6, 2009

looks like some are to close to the lights to me and are burning... thats what mine look like when i get the tops to close to my 400

HazeVentura · Jul 8, 2009

Where are the experts?

Hoi farmers,

it don't stop. day by day more plants start to show this symptoms....

meanwhile it shows up at 3 different grow locations. Using dif nutes , two are in cocos and one in soil.....

it'S not my first grow :D and the conditions are at every location ok....

could it be any kind of plant desease, or some pest....

PLEASE HELP!!!!!

HV

justanotherbozo · Jul 8, 2009

HazeVentura said:
Hoi farmers,

it don't stop. day by day more plants start to show this symptoms....

meanwhile it shows up at 3 different grow locations. Using dif nutes , two are in cocos and one in soil.....

it'S not my first grow :D and the conditions are at every location ok....

could it be any kind of plant desease, or some pest....

PLEASE HELP!!!!!

HV

sounds like you really need to fill out that troubleshooting form bro!

and do a google for 'Stitch' or 'MyNameStitch', she is an expert in
mj problems and has a thread over at ICMag i believe.

personally, i have her book to refer to when i have a problem.

for real man, fill out that troubleshooting form and then post it,
with answers, in her thread, if she can't figure it out, your plants
are dead.

med.botany · Jul 8, 2009

wow that's weird lookin...i dont know about pest's but it could def. be some kind of disease..i've seen that taco'ing from underwatering and heat stres but it there could be something wrong in the roots system..Try using some Revive from AN..

here's some info bout it...Ever had a crop damaged by heat, stress, insects, bad fertilizers, disease, or other grow room problems? Revive is the perfect crop repair formula for times when your plants are suffering and need immediate help. Loaded with safe forms of iron and other rejuvenating nutrients, Revive can save your crop and give you a successful harvest instead of a total loss.

HazeVentura · Jul 8, 2009

justanotherbozo said:
sounds like you really need to fill out that troubleshooting form bro!

for real man, fill out that troubleshooting form and then post it,
with answers, in her thread, if she can't figure it out, your plants
are dead.

that form is your holy grail , he :kiss:

it's in three different growrooms with good conditions (made many grows before)..... but i never have had something like this.
The plants look good, it starts and 3-5 days later she's dead...........

peace HV

Highlander · Jul 8, 2009

I've had a problem that a lot like yours and I added some cal/mag at 5-10ml per gallon and my girls came back to life real fast...I had that burning look where the leave curl up and pointed but I wasnt burning them and I cut back on everything! bombed in case of pest and It was still showing that burning look until i added the calmag!

justanotherbozo · Jul 8, 2009

HazeVentura said:
that form is your holy grail , he :kiss:

it's in three different growrooms with good conditions (made many grows before)..... but i never have had something like this.
The plants look good, it starts and 3-5 days later she's dead...........

peace HV

high bro, just so you know, i'm not accusing you of bein' a noob,
i'm sayin' i'm a noob, ...it's me who's unqualified to help you in
any way other than to point you in Stitch's direction, she
really knows her stuff, like i said, she has a book out.

...btw, i'm not a total noob, i've been running a micro-SOG
for about 2 years now, ...so when i say Stitch is an expert,
it's not total bullshit.

...oh yeah, i posted that troubleshooting form in an attempt
to help you bro, ...the more information you provide,
the more likely you'll get an answer you can use.

pimpin · Jul 8, 2009

hey guy whats the name 2 her book

justanotherbozo · Jul 8, 2009

pimpin said:
hey guy whats the name 2 her book

it's called 'Marijuana Garden Saver, Handbook for Healthy Plants'

J.C.Stitch

edited by Ed Rosenthal

it's published by Quick American
www.quicktrading.com

ISBN # 978-093255191-7

it's also available on Amazon and it's worth every penny!

DJXXPLATINUM · Jul 8, 2009

i'll have to check out that book!!! you can never learn too much about her!!!peace djxx

justanotherbozo · Jul 8, 2009

DJXXPLATINUM said:
i'll have to check out that book!!! you can never learn too much about her!!!peace djxx

you won't be sorry bro, it's worth twice what it costs.

fyi, i don't know Stitch, i've never met her and i don't gain
a single thing recommending this book or her thread.

i offer it out of respect for her vast knowledge in hopes it will
help someone.

Tolpan · Jul 8, 2009

Thats sad to see HV!

Don't know how to help, damn!

Which day are you at?

Mine all look good. Had some pH issues with my coco plants, but they came back and everything is looking good again.

I would try something to clean the rootsystem like others mentioned.

Talk later

can-i-hit-it · Jul 9, 2009

dam man sorry to see the girls hurtin are the tips of the top fan leaves turnin black if so its the light it kinda looks like heat stress i would let the lights up and feed wit just plain water and see how they react if that not it i would try the cal/mag sombody already recommended

HappyHybridS · Jul 9, 2009

Hey haze :)

Damn that looks shitty :( are you sure your ec-meter still does the trick? pics 4 and 5 look like the worst nuteburn i have ever seen... but with ec 1,4 they never could be burnt like this...

other possibility is a virus... but i really hope it's the ec-meter...

are plants from all strains concerned?

greetz

HazeVentura · Jul 9, 2009

HappyHybridS said:
Hey haze :)

Damn that looks shitty :( are you sure your ec-meter still does the trick? pics 4 and 5 look like the worst nuteburn i have ever seen... but with ec 1,4 they never could be burnt like this...

other possibility is a virus... but i really hope it's the ec-meter...

are plants from all strains concerned?

greetz

have tried 2 diff ec-meters.....all ok..... the plants look great and in 4 days all is over.....it's at every strain

the roots are white and healthy, no pest in the cocos....

if i can't stop this.....
i have to cut down 3 grows..... :mad0233:

next i try to foliar spray them with H2O2 solution
..... if it's some kind of bakteria or fungus......

peace HV

Titoon_29 · Jul 9, 2009

Hi haze ventura...

I ve had this kind of problems a few times.

For me it was :

- some kind of fungus/bacteria, which i treated with some products containing anti fungus : Myclobutanil , to be found in gardening shops
http://img181.invalid.com/img181/8819/tofs009800x600zg6.jpg
http://img181.invalid.com/img181/2426/tofs010800x600bq2.jpg
http://img181.invalid.com/img181/3467/tofs019800x600be7.jpg

- pests, called Tarsonems.. really hard to get rid of them... they are so small you can only see them with a microscope, and you have to wait them to move to see them... i can see trichomes/spiders/thrips without any lens, but not those...
the main problem they cause are leaves deformations, and no bud growth...

but i ld say the fungus should be your problem... hope it helps....

Titoon

randalika · Jul 9, 2009

moin haze,
what about asking air-max on hb-forum for it? i think he surely can give u an answer and advices. :)
greetings,randa

Hash Master · Jul 11, 2009

try dropping the ph 0.5

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