xavier7995 said:

You foliage looks really dense, might want to trim back some of those leaves so the others can get light...and they do look hungry. I don't use the precharged soil so can't really offer an opinion if you should feed them or not. Have you checked PH? I am wondering if maybe that is off and thus preventing uptake of nutrients. Maybe do a medium feed?

I think I saw where you asked about organic nutes, I have been seeing people get great results with dragonfly earth medicines products...granted its growers that are already great, but that is what they are using. Will be using their bloom booster next round myself. I have used the Aurora Innovations/Roots line and had great results with it.

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xavier7995 said:

That light color overall (you may want to take pics not under the LED lights)...normally it would be the whole plant, but eh...worth looking at.... My eyesight sucks and I can't really read those tests you put up. If you are in soil, your ph should be a bit higher, closer to a 6.5.

Try raising your soil PH before anything. If the nutrients are there, but just not being taken up, then you add more, you wind up in a situation where you burn them and it does nothing to fix the actual problem. I am thinking PH because as BudBogart pointed out, there appear to be several issues going on.

You may want to check out general organics if you are on a budget, the DEM products are really nice, but they are pricey.

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xavier7995 said:

That light color overall (you may want to take pics not under the LED lights)...normally it would be the whole plant, but eh...worth looking at.... My eyesight sucks and I can't really read those tests you put up. If you are in soil, your ph should be a bit higher, closer to a 6.5.

Try raising your soil PH before anything. If the nutrients are there, but just not being taken up, then you add more, you wind up in a situation where you burn them and it does nothing to fix the actual problem. I am thinking PH because as BudBogart pointed out, there appear to be several issues going on.

You may want to check out general organics if you are on a budget, the DEM products are really nice, but they are pricey.

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DrMcSkunkins said:

Looks kinda like russet mite damage or root problems, have you checked the roots or scoped the bottoms of the knurled leaves?

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CoolC said:

Yea I did check for bugs and I don't see any on the plants, occasionally il see what looks like a fruit fly come buzz around, maybe coming from the dirt idk.. And also this maybe a stupid question but. I am growing in soil, how do I check the roots? They arnt coming out of the bottom of their contain yet. Also this problem is showing on 2 large plants and a cutting. The crazy part is that ; I took the cutting to make a clone while the plants looked healthy and problem free. a week maybe ten days later the leaves and the cutting start to turn yellow and the stem turns purple, I figured it was just deficient only living on water and it would have roots soon. A day or two after the cutting starts its decline both the other plants start to show the same bad signs....

Thanks a ton for your feed back though. Everything is helpful to know.

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CoolC said:

Now the leaves inside the the plant are turning yellow and dying! I can't figure this out!!

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xavier7995 said:

Did you put the cutting into the same soil? If so, good, then it would follow the theory of there not being enough nutes...or ph preventing it but it sounds like that is right about where it should be.

You should google how long people are able to run those soil blends without needing to add amendments/feed. My soil plants that were a bit (well more than a bit) lighter in color that they should have been, I hated to do it, but I just watered with some salt based ferts at a 6.5ph for a couple of days and they turned around. I don't like using salt based fertilizer in soil, but eh...gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Slowly but surely they have gotten a healthier looking color.

Don't get discouraged, learning is one of the fun parts of this hobby.

edit: I really do think you should trim up your leaves a bit. That light colored growth that looks to be in the middle bottom area of the plant, just clip those leaves and under developed bud sites off. clipping a bud site can be a hard decision (leave some just so you can see how they turn out) but I just compare how developed the lower bud site looks vs. an upper one I know is getting adequate light, under 50% in size and it gets the axe.

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