Seamaiden said:

This thread needs a bump. Squarepusher, can you fix the link PP69 asked about, pretty please?

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budboy299 said:

This is mainly geared to big time growers or a few buddies going in on supplys to maximize funds in tough economic times

I recently went to a fertilizer manufaturing supply company and took along my trusty bottle of M**B which is a granular bloom booster. This is what they told me..........

I don't want to be sued so M**B will have to suffice I am sure some will guess and be so kind as to fill the other readers in ;)

M**B consists of 3 ingredients which are listed on the package from largest proportion to least

1st is simply Mono-potassium phosphate which is known as MKP 0-52-34
it sells through fertilizer companies locally for 48.50 for 25kgs This 25kg bag is enough to make 27.53 1kg size containers of M**B

2nd is Mono-Ammonium Phosphate, which is known as MAP and is 11-52-34
This also sells through fertilizer companies locally for 110.00 for 25kgs
hopefully you can find it in a smaller quantity than I could as it is enough to make 275 1kg containers of M**B

lastly there is thiamine hydrochloride. online chemical lab supply places carry this. (Google is your friend)
I got this at 49.00 per 100 grams which is enough to make 100 1kg containers or M**B


for 1kg of M**B you use 905.19 grams of MKP
90.81 grams of MAP
1.0 grams of thiamine hydrochloride

this will give you 1-52-34 with a .01% thiamine hydrochloride




My initial outlay of 207.00 has given me enough bulk ingredients to make 27kgs of M**B

Even better though....the fella at the fertilizer supply company said that the addition of the MAP only supplies 1% nitrogen to the mix. he suggested that if you run hydro...simply you can run your nutes at 90% bloom and 10% veg which would completely eliminate the need for the MAP altogether.

This would bring your total cost down to less than 100 dollars total for enough raw ferts to make 25 kgs of this
Certainly seems better than the internet price of anywhere from 60-90 bucks for 1kg of the original product


I am certainly not knocking anyone going out and purchasing the original product from a retailer as it is a great product which is very concentrated and lasts quite a while. But for guys with huge grows....bulk raw materials sure helps out.


hope someone found this usefull

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Crysmatic said:

btw, bud candy/factor x is 51 g/L of epsom salts. sweet is 152 g/L. what gets me is bud candy's application rate is 2 ml/L while sweet is 15-20 ml/L - AN adds only 10 ppm vs 90 ppm. it's $0.10 worth of espom salt and they sell it for $27. sweet goes for $20 for $0.30 worth of salts. sweet is the better deal ;)

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Part A 4-0-1

Calcium is 4.5%

Density 1176 g/l

Derived from Calcium Nitrate and Potassium Nitrate

4 Liters of concentrate

16.72 grams of Potassium Nitrate
526.0 grams of Yara Calcium Nitrate
72.3 grams Iron DPTA 7%
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Part B 1-4-2

Magnesium 1.2%
Sulphur 1%

Density 1108 g/l

Derived from: Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulphate, and Potassium Phosphate

82 grams Magnesium Nitrate
136 grams Magnesium Sulphate
135.2 grams Mono-Potassium Phosphate

Trace minerals which are:
11.1 grams Zinc Sulphate
7.8 grams Manganese Sulphate
9.9 grams Copper Sulphate
14.5 grams Boric Acid
.1 gram Sodium Molybdate


also if you use Canna Coco, you more than likely will not need CalMag. This is because Calmag is composed of 1.2% Mg and 3.2% calcium, Ingredients are Calcium Nitrate and Magnesium Nitrate. The exact same ingredients already in Canna Coco, and Canna already has them in larger quantities than the Calmag. So adding the Calmag is redundant.

CalMag Plus is: 2-0-0

1.94% Nitrate Nitrogen
.06% water soluble nitrogen
3.2% Calcium
1.2% Magnesium
.1% chelated iron


Derived from: Calcium Nitrate 15.5-0-0
Magnesium Nitrate %15 MgO (%9.5 Mg) and %11 Nitrate Nitrogen
Iron DPTA 6%



For 3.8 Litres

143.0 grams Magnesium Nitrate
43.4 grams Yara Calcium Nitrate
16.1 grams Iron DPTA 6%
1.2 grams Sodium Benzoate (as a preservative)

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