Dirtbag
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Thanks, yeah the Calcium would just be to bump the N really since I have Calcium nitrate here. Cool, well I think I'm going to give it a shot for the rest of this run and see what happens.That grow ratio should work well in my opinion.
The high P is really meant for outdoor in the ground. Where P leaches easily from the soil. And i am guessing it comes from tomato growing.
I think cannabis likes a bit more K than N too.
And i dont expect you will need more calcium if you didnt before.
Thanks, yeah the Calcium would just be to bump the N really since I have Calcium nitrate here. Cool, well I think I'm going to give it a shot for the rest of this run and see what happens.
Awesome. Appreciate the info. I feel like my setup is pretty dialed in, I get great results already but there is always room for tweaking.
Yeah man. I dont actually feel that comfortable giving you advice. Youre a walking horticultural encyclopedia.
:)
Nah man I appreciate it, but I'll never stop learning. There are many more knowledgeable growers out there than me, and keeping an open mind, keeping up with current science which changes all the time, and learning new techniques from hands on experience is what it's all about. Getting stuck doing things the same way over and over just because it works is not only boring, but the garden will never improve that way.
That said, one thing at a time eh? lol.
Have you listened to this interview with the dyna grow president @Dirtbag ? He tells all his lab results. Which prove the low P in the plant. And the fact the ratio doesnt really change much in flower.
No but I'll listen to it in a little bit. Thanks for that.
I haven't messed with nutes for a long time. Most of my tweaking has been environmental for the past long while. So this really gets me excited. Especially because I'm at the perfect flowering stage to test it myself. Stoked.
For the last 4 years i have planted one plant at a time clones and seeds about every week to 10 days and harvested about the same.
I looked at every plant as a new grow and have been able to test all kinds of things. For a year i ran 3 known cuttings over and over to test lights and nutes.
I think i have seperated the facts from the forum hype. Well some of them.
See you at the next flushing argument thread. ;-)
Dude, it's all adding up now... It could perfectly explain the mid-flower nosedive a lot of people see. They add high P in flower, by mid way through it builds up because its unused, and it starts binding with and locking out Ca. At the same time the reduced nitrogen just adds to the problem, when it doesnt even need the P, it needs a lot of Ca and N. I've probably avoided issues by feeding low conservative rates with plenty of runoff to prevent build up of P... wow.
I feel like a f**king lightbulb just came on and I'm super stoked about it. Haven't seen a revelation in growing this profound in a long time.
I really appreciate your input man. Thank you very much. I do tend to take my plants down around 9 weeks but what you're saying makes perfect sense considering the P fiasco. I'm very, very excited to see what comes of this grow I'm on now. Even at 27 days of flower it's already looking healthier, bigger, and frostier than previous runs. That could be partly from the Massive im using also, I broke one of my rules of experimentation there with trying two things at once. But let's just say it all seems to be working well so far.
Here is bubba at day 27. Looking way more sugary than it usually does on the leaves.
I guess I pressed the upload button twice... lol. Here it is twice.
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I posted this in Fatmans sticky too but figured this will get more exposure..
I'm teetering on an experiment and I'd like some feedback from those of you running these low P formulas. I've had good results using the simple floranova line lately because well, I'm lazy. Based on the NPK do you guys think I'd do better running floranova grow all the way through flower? Its ratio is 1.75 to 1 to 2.5. ... would it be necessary to bump the Ca/N up a bit? The bloom formula is 4-8-7 and you guys have me seriously questioning using it..
Currently I'm in week 3 of flower, feeding 50/50 grow and bloom at 1.2ec, with another 0.4 ec of massive bloom 1-2-3. I suspect from reading through fatmans nutrient mixing guide that there is a better combination for these nutes. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
Just to answer your question from the first post
FNG will give you:
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Which would work out to 536ppm @ 5.5ml/g. By itself it should work but you would prob have to add some cal nitrate and either epsom/some form of K if you want to get it higher. That is just from my style of blasting rockwool in drip so it might be different for you.. I havent personally run P that low but it might work out. Going over 5.5ml/g would prob bump the N too high (over 150ppm) and you might start seeing issues.
Damn I forgot about the canna calculator. Thanks for that. I'll be running the FNG at closer to 300ppm and making up the other ppm with massive 1-2-3 so that will change my numbers a bit. I'm gonna look into it, cheers. And thanks for the reminder about that calculator.
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