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#41
There are couple things here that have not been touched upon. I have noticed that the 1-3 seed thing is called,"Security Seeds." It's basically were the plant does not show any pollen or nanners and you just end up finding a seed or two in the couple ounces you grew. This happens to me in most of my grows but I also used to run a lot of different strains at one time but never have any males in my rooms. I even keep the males at an entirely different house 70 miles away. I think most of the seeds we have today are hermie genes, they just don't always express themselves. This might sound strange but the dankest stuff I have smoked, all had hermie tendencies.

The Security Seed thing is strange because the plant shows no hermie tendencies, you just end up with a couple seeds and they are deep within the calyx of the bud. This has to be a survival instinct of the plant.

The second thing I wanted to talk about is the Reverse Male. A Reverse Male is a male that has balls, shows complete male sex, then when you go to flip it, it starts throwing pistols and white hairs. They are basically the complete opposite of a regular hermie, female who shows balls later. They are usually sterile and I have only had one but I have heard they are great to breed with because the offspring is mostly female and the hermie tendency in the offspring is almost nil. Djshort has used reverse males in his breeding and they produce dank. I believe they are still a hermie but a valuable hermie because they cancel out of pollen and nanner problem and lets be honest, the reason we want seedless bud is because it sells and no one wants to smoke seeds. All in all, if I found another reverse male, I would keep it. They are rare but not completely impossible to find.
 
#42
nightmarecreature said:
There are couple things here that have not been touched upon. I have noticed that the 1-3 seed thing is called,"Security Seeds." It's basically were the plant does not show any pollen or nanners and you just end up finding a seed or two in the couple ounces you grew. This happens to me in most of my grows but I also used to run a lot of different strains at one time but never have any males in my rooms. I even keep the males at an entirely different house 70 miles away. I think most of the seeds we have today are hermie genes, they just don't always express themselves. This might sound strange but the dankest stuff I have smoked, all had hermie tendencies.

The Security Seed thing is strange because the plant shows no hermie tendencies, you just end up with a couple seeds and they are deep within the calyx of the bud. This has to be a survival instinct of the plant.

The second thing I wanted to talk about is the Reverse Male. A Reverse Male is a male that has balls, shows complete male sex, then when you go to flip it, it starts throwing pistols and white hairs. They are basically the complete opposite of a regular hermie, female who shows balls later. They are usually sterile and I have only had one but I have heard they are great to breed with because the offspring is mostly female and the hermie tendency in the offspring is almost nil. Djshort has used reverse males in his breeding and they produce dank. I believe they are still a hermie but a valuable hermie because they cancel out of pollen and nanner problem and lets be honest, the reason we want seedless bud is because it sells and no one wants to smoke seeds. All in all, if I found another reverse male, I would keep it. They are rare but not completely impossible to find.
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Interesting Read Pal...Please Elaborate on what a Reverse Male is? Thanks in advance
 
#43
Gamrstwin36 said:
Interesting Read Pal...Please Elaborate on what a Reverse Male is? Thanks in advance
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"A Reverse Male is a male that has balls, shows complete male sex, then when you go to flip it, it starts throwing pistols and white hairs. They are basically the complete opposite of a regular hermie."
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I think that about covers it.
 
#44
Up until a few months ago i had pictures and a full thread with documentation of my reversal male unfortunetly in a recent upgrade of the site most of the pix where lost altho the thread is still there.
Doesnt matter regardless lots of peeps witnessed the grow and what happened and could speak on it thats not what relevant.
Whata relevant is i do have these pix left one shows the male first starting out male it grew all the way up until week
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4-5 when it started opening sax and dropping pollen at which time it began to throw pistils and stopped makeing sax and dropping pollen and began makeing nuggsites, full on nuggz where the sack clusters where and by time i killed it( thinking it was just a hermi bytch plant) it actually resembled - was a female plant in every repsect of the word there where no more male parts on the plant till this day i kick myself in the ass for killing the plant but i did so in freak out mode not wanting to pollenate my crop any further with hermi beans.
What i wish i did was keep the plant to see if in fact a clone would have grown as a female.
And what would have happened in the offspring of the female plant if i could have pollenated the plant because the offspring the plant made in male mode with the pollen it did drop made perfectly good male and female offspring matter of fact better than good in my eyes no hermi traits in 300beans i have popped personally but i would have liked to known if the same non hermi tendencies would have contiued in the female version of the plants offspring. I will never know now.
Anyway heres the 2 pix i have and i have them only cuz i had a journal at another site showing what i thought was a hermi!
Looks like hermi here but shows what NMC
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was just talking about.
I also seen the article about dj short speaking on this i cant explain any of it im just showing what actually in fact did happen.
I still have a grip of the regular f1 reversal beans that the actual reversal male made too it is what it is wish i had a pic of the plant in full female mode tho.
Hope this helps to kinda elaborate what NMC was speaking on.

Peace
 
#45
BirdDog1 said:
Ok folks, I have a question. The Blackberry kush x ARC male I selected has started looking a little different. I'm worried that it could be a true herm.

Here is the top:
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But def a male...:
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Here is a pic of the top of the male GSC x ARC for comparison:
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Any info would be greatly appreciated!
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https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/birddogs-straight-dank.54001/
It seemed to be the general consensus on this thread that his "reverse male" was a hermie and he scrapped the project.
 
#46
PaperStreet said:
Up until a few months ago i had pictures and a full thread with documentation of my reversal male unfortunetly in a recent upgrade of the site most of the pix where lost altho the thread is still there.
Doesnt matter regardless lots of peeps witnessed the grow and what happened and could speak on it thats not what relevant.
Whata relevant is i do have these pix left one shows the male first starting out male it grew all the way up until week View attachment 350965 4-5 when it started opening sax and dropping pollen at which time it began to throw pistils and stopped makeing sax and dropping pollen and began makeing nuggsites, full on nuggz where the sack clusters where and by time i killed it( thinking it was just a hermi bytch plant) it actually resembled - was a female plant in every repsect of the word there where no more male parts on the plant till this day i kick myself in the ass for killing the plant but i did so in freak out mode not wanting to pollenate my crop any further with hermi beans.
What i wish i did was keep the plant to see if in fact a clone would have grown as a female.
And what would have happened in the offspring of the female plant if i could have pollenated the plant because the offspring the plant made in male mode with the pollen it did drop made perfectly good male and female offspring matter of fact better than good in my eyes no hermi traits in 300beans i have popped personally but i would have liked to known if the same non hermi tendencies would have contiued in the female version of the plants offspring. I will never know now.
Anyway heres the 2 pix i have and i have them only cuz i had a journal at another site showing what i thought was a hermi!
Looks like hermi here but shows what NMCView attachment 350966 was just talking about.
I also seen the article about dj short speaking on this i cant explain any of it im just showing what actually in fact did happen.
I still have a grip of the regular f1 reversal beans that the actual reversal male made too it is what it is wish i had a pic of the plant in full female mode tho.
Hope this helps to kinda elaborate what NMC was speaking on.

Peace
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im tripping out on the reversed male if im reading this correctly i to had a male fool blown man and i needed my timer in my room cuz it took a shit so i took it out and manualy started slipping up and not turning it off on time the male became also female and it seeded up???? wow
 
#47
Im not sure i can really expand much more than what happened in my situation other than i scrapped mine also thinking it was a "true hermie" and killed it off long before i got into my beans and realized the off spring mine made turned out to be perfectly good male and female offspring so good i havent been able to stress or induce a single nanner on a plant let alone a bean and ive been known to break the best of them from time to time lol.

I can say is that particular grow happened to be one of my tightest most well orchestrated grow to date and everything was popping well on every cylinder and i wouldnt chalk mine out to stress caused conditions being the cause of the reversal.
Ill be honest i dont even consider my reversal to be classified as a hermi at this point but a full reversal as mine was a female plant at the time of chop.
What has brought me to my conclusions is the way the progeny have grown as both perfectly normal male and female offspring not displaying hermi traits and not an S1 persay because of the fact the beans are produceing both regular male and female offspring.
Im not sure i would trust a stress induced femmes or S1 bean that was made without chemicals collidial silver or sts etc..
As i have grown out regularly stressed femmed or "hermi" beans and they have only produced exactly that for me "hermi" offspring..

Only thing u can really do is grow a couple out u never know i know if i never would have grown mine out i never would have found the results i have.
Keep an eye on them tho mine happened naturally if that makes sence the plant just decided all on its own that it wanted to switch sexxes and i ended up with what i have.
 
#48
Don't ever scrap a male that throws pistils. Use the pollen on a female, then do testing with the offspring. You'll know from the offspring if it was a hermie or not. The females will be females but some of the males will be reverse in the off spring. That's just how it goes.
 
#49
nightmarecreature said:
Don't ever scrap a male that throws pistils. Use the pollen on a female, then do testing with the offspring. You'll know from the offspring if it was a hermie or not. The females will be females but some of the males will be reverse in the off spring. That's just how it goes.
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I have only spoken with a few people to date that have any knowledge of this occuring personally have u seen a male reverse? And do u know if the female version has been pollenated and the offspring grown and what results where of said offspring?
Its been killing me to think what it would have produced in female form as well as if the cut would have continued to grow female if cloned. My guess would be yes to the cloneing part i would have loved to grow a bean from that plant tho! Damn! If only haha i think alot of peeps scrap them not knowing what up becuz thats the usual typical consensus true hermie and they get killed quickly i know mine did for that reason it did get killed out of lack of knowledge or education on my part because there is little knowledge available on this.
Ill be kicking myself in the ass for a long time on that tho!
Thanks for the input man much apprechiated.
Peace
 
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#50
Isn't it also possible that it was simply a male plant that showed Hermaphrodite tendencies? If this was the case, then the offspring would be normal male/female seeds. Ive had males hermie(some very bad). A male can produce female parts just like a female can produce male parts. Whenever I reverse a female with STS, it shows almost all male pods with very little female flowers. Ive done the same with males and the same has happened(which is a great way to test males to see what female characteristics would carry on to the cross). In fact, if I remember correctly, DJ Short as well as others used this breeding selection technique. So if this could happen using unnatural means, its safe to assume, the same could happen naturally..
 
#51
I'm with Manic on this one. No such thing as a reverse male.....it's simply a male hermie. Both male and females can herm. If the male wasn't reversed, it shouldn't be called a reverse male. One reason we don't see males herm as often is because most growers throw the males out as soon as sex is determined.
 
#54
How's that CS work for you? I've always used homemade mixes.....consistency was an issue for me.
 
#55
MtGrownCanna said:
I'm with Manic on this one. No such thing as a reverse male.....it's simply a male hermie. Both male and females can herm. If the male wasn't reversed, it shouldn't be called a reverse male. One reason we don't see males herm as often is because most growers throw the males out as soon as sex is determined.
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I agree with this. A reverse male is a hermie. I think they can be valuable
PaperStreet said:
I have only spoken with a few people to date that have any knowledge of this occuring personally have u seen a male reverse? And do u know if the female version has been pollenated and the offspring grown and what results where of said offspring?
Its been killing me to think what it would have produced in female form as well as if the cut would have continued to grow female if cloned. My guess would be yes to the cloneing part i would have loved to grow a bean from that plant tho! Damn! If only haha i think alot of peeps scrap them not knowing what up becuz thats the usual typical consensus true hermie and they get killed quickly i know mine did for that reason it did get killed out of lack of knowledge or education on my part because there is little knowledge available on this.
Ill be kicking myself in the ass for a long time on that tho!
Thanks for the input man much apprechiated.
Peace
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The reverse male that I had was naturally occurring. I did not know it was a male, all I knew at the time was that it was very smelly and greasy. I could tell it was going to be dank so I assumed it was a female. Once it matured, it had presacks just like when a female matures it has pre flowers. I was pretty excited because I was thinking that this is the dankest male I have ever seen in my life. Well, I took a single cutting and rooted it. I then put the male on 12/12. After about two weeks it started to sprout pistols and white hairs. I was like WTF. Then I did some reading and found out about the reverse male. I took it outside but I ended up missing the opportunity to retrieve pollen. I didn't mind because I still had the clone. We'll something happened in my life and I could not tend to my plants and since it was a little guy, the damn thing died from neglect. I tried to save it but it was too late. I still wish I had it. I should have said it but yes, the reverse male is a hermie. I'm not talking about artificially inducing flowers on a male, I'm talking about a naturally occurring male that sprouts flowers during the flip. A female that produces balls during the flip would be a hermie as most people know it and are avoided like the plague.

I also did not coin the term reverse male but I know what it means.

I think the reverse male can be an asset. For two reasons. It creates mostly females, the second reason is that it warrants against females producing balls in the offspring.( bad hermies) this is according to DJshort who's word I trust.
 
#56
I think re-introducing the herm trait to solid well known gene lines is very damaging. It will easily spread like a virus and in a few years those hermie traits will have been bred into so many good strains by unsuspecting pollen chuckers......just saying...anything is possible.. :)

As far as reasons for strange things happening with plants....nature is much more complex than a few men and their studies/experiences...... There needs to be more investigation into this, as far as I'm concerned, from many different sources, before some sort of truth becomes visible. But it is interesting...
 
#57
Very interesting ill def respect your opinions i definetly dont know what happened. I call what happened in mine "Reverse" only becuz it did not operate like any known hermi i have ever encountered or researched esepcially in the offspring it produced being normal regular offspring showing both males and females with zero hermi tenedencies. The word "Reverse" has mostly stuck with me because like i said the day i chopped the plant it was female not just pistils but full nuggsites bud where the nuggs where all at one time sax and cluster sites all female nugg so u can see how i took the reverse thing and applied it to mine it started male and finished female i wish i had a pic left to show.
Anyhow could very well be hermi as well shit i still refer to it as hermi any plant able to switch sex has to be considered hermi cuz it was done naturally by hermaphrodite trait so it is what it is.
All i can say is i made f1 originally and im working on f2 now ill report back if i find any hermi whether i find any in my original f1 or my f2 which is just a bx of sorts back to the f1 but all resorting from the original f1 directly related to the original hermi or reversed male in which i like to call it.
Thanks NMC what u say makes alot of sence man.
And yes Manic it hasnt been any doubt since it happened that yes in fact it could have been just a simple hermi.
I was just not aware hermi could peoduce both regular male and female offspring not carry the hermi trait seems i still have a grip to learn.
Peace all good stuff
 
#58
Remember Jurassic Park? There was no way there could be male dinosaurs because of genetic engineering they were using. Then Jeff Goldbloom taught them all a lesson about chaos theory.
 
#59
fractal said:
Remember Jurassic Park? There was no way there could be male dinosaurs because of genetic engineering they were using. Then Jeff Goldbloom taught them all a lesson about chaos theory.[/quote

Ive been wanting to mention Jurassic Park since this thread started lol. :lurking:
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#60
fractal said:
Remember Jurassic Park? There was no way there could be male dinosaurs because of genetic engineering they were using. Then Jeff Goldbloom taught them all a lesson about chaos theory.
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Let's not forget what Teen Wolf taught us about genetics either :D
 
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