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They're alive!
They both have a 7-9 week suggested flowering time, but I flipped them 17 days ago and budlets are just barely starting to form, so they seem to be taking their sweet time progressing. Hopefully, I imagine if I tweaked them too hard, they'll still have time to bounce back.
I took all the big leaves, left almost all the prospective bud sites just to learn how they grow, and took everything that was blocking light to the interior of the plant. They have quite different structures despite both being heavy on the indica side. I left some of the larger fan leaves on the lower perimeter that didn't seem to be doing any harm to anything. My hope is that they'll be a bit of a buffer if something I do (or don't do) makes the plants unhappy.
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They both have a 7-9 week suggested flowering time, but I flipped them 17 days ago and budlets are just barely starting to form, so they seem to be taking their sweet time progressing. Hopefully, I imagine if I tweaked them too hard, they'll still have time to bounce back.
I took all the big leaves, left almost all the prospective bud sites just to learn how they grow, and took everything that was blocking light to the interior of the plant. They have quite different structures despite both being heavy on the indica side. I left some of the larger fan leaves on the lower perimeter that didn't seem to be doing any harm to anything. My hope is that they'll be a bit of a buffer if something I do (or don't do) makes the plants unhappy.
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I’ve stumbled upon your thread by random chance, and feel I’ve found a kindred spirit. I’ve been accused of being more than a tad wordy in my writings as well, essays in school needed copious editing to whittle them down to acceptable word counts. Besides cannabis, I love words, adjectives especially, and I’m enjoying reading your thread more than most of what appears online. I’ve been a weed advocate and smoker for over 35 years, and have used it medically for all that time. I’ve been growing for years also, however I didn’t get really serious about dialing it all in until about 9 years ago.
To address your question of the humidity levels in the basement, I know what you are thinking about the condensation in the ducting. We’ve built two rooms into our basement, veg and flower. We have ducting running from our grow rooms up near the rafters to directly outside, right next to our dryer vent. It is not a finished basement. I’m not sure where you are, I’m in western Mass, and our basement stays pretty humid all summer, between 70-80%. We have a dehumidifier and also a humidifier in our flower room. I have to constantly adjust the humidifiers in the veg stage, and the dehumidifier in the end of flower. The ducting from the veg room to the outdoors does produce quite a lot of condensation in the beginning of veg when the humidity is roughly around 65-70%, depending on where the temp is hovering. However, in my experience the condensation tends to build up and drip off the outside of the duct tube. I haven’t had any issues with water collecting inside the ducting. The temp of the room and the humidity levels inside and outside the tent would vary how much condensation you have, but that’s math and I’m a words person.
Had to say hello when I read your posts. I’m harvesting my purple trichome plant soon, the rest in my flower room are almost cooked also. I have 8 baby girls reaching happily for the sun in the backyard, and I’ve got six clones successfully going back into veg from the purple trich plant. Local grow shop has offered generous compensation for those clones. Last year I grew trees outdoors, hoping for even more lucious trees this year. Indoors girls are harvesting this week and next.
Anyways, too many words from me! I look forward to reading more from you. I can’t really commit to a diary, I’m more of a sporadic poster. I just had my first grand baby this week and my work as a chef takes a lot of time. I spend my time off with family and gardens. Veggie, flower, and cannabis. I’d love to have time to write more. I miss writing. Thank you for being a wordy bad ass.
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Does thus setup work for you
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Thanks for introducing yourself and being a compatriot word nerd. I look forward to going over your posts. Looks like you are quite an advanced grower and have tons to teach a noob like me. What strain are the species with the purple trichs? I’ve never come across a reference to them, but they look amazing.
As far as the venting went, I decided that that long of a horizontal run with a couple turns and then up a two story chimney would be too much for my little four inch fan on top of the condensation issue. I ended up knocking out a window and installing a dryer vent. It faces the front of the house, but we kept it neat and it doesn’t seem too extrusive. Now the venting is only about 2 1/2 feet, so I’m not too concerned about droplets anymore.
My basement stays pretty humid too, but it’s not all that big and my new dehumidifier seems to be keeping up with the challenge. I might have a little trouble getting it down to 50% for late flower, but it is what it is. Should be no problem getting the right conditions for drying though.
Thanks again for the introduction.
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I set everything up, but I haven’t connected it to the reservoirs yet. We designed it out of pex, so hooking it up would mean I won’t be able to move the pots anymore and since the plants were so big and bushy, I wanted to wait until I did the major defoliation I posted about above so I could pull them out and get all around them. Now I think it would be fine, but the plants are drinking almost a gallon a day and it seems the ph and EC in the reservoirs change daily requiring a little adjustment to the addition I put in. The pots are seven gallon but actually only held four once set up. Now that they’re full of roots, I suspect that’s down to three or maybe even less. And with all that said, we’ve scheduled a staycation this year and camping season is over for us, so I doubt I’ll be away for more than a night here and there, so I should be able to keep up manually. But if we do decide to go somewhere, I can attach the last few pieces of pex and fill the extra buckets with a good guess and be on my way. I’ll let post it up if I end up doing that.
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My parents thought it’d be fun to cross the perfectionist gene with the irresistible need to tinker gene—the results were disastrous. At any rate, I’m loving the hydro setup as it allows a subtle satisfaction for both genes.
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Greetings! Not only am I a word nerd, but your experience of keeping the local pharmacy in business resonated deeply with me and my also interesting life. I had been a lead line cook for years and as such, had prided myself on being a bit of a bad ass. I am now a chef and yes indeed I am a bad ass chick. I don't know if I'd call myself an advanced grower, but I long ago lost track of the number of grows I've nurtured to maturity. I think there's a lot of information out there on the internet and a lot of what you refer to as "bro science" dominates the information. I have never encountered GWE, but I will look it up. Even experienced growers know that nature often has a will of it's own and can always surprise you, and hence you never stop learning.
The purple trich plant is a Mofeta Sangrante from Sticky Fingers Seeds. Translates to Bloody Skunk. I was informed that it was bred by Deep Green Genetics, but I cannot locate the strain on any site of theirs. I got them as a freebie at NECann last year, and didn't expect such a special pheno. I have two more seeds, both non-feminized. I am in the middle of harvesting this indoor run right now. My fingers feel like I've been playing with those shiny, brown fly strips, and my companion the last few days has been the spray bottle of 91% Iso. I did successfully clone all six clone cuttings I made from the Mofeta. I hadn't dabbled in cloning until now, mostly due to the expense of running our grow rooms in the summer, and the amazing outdoor space we have dedicated to my cannagarden for the summer, so I wasn't confident that all six would end up rooting and going into reveg. My first time seriously trying to clone and I decided to start cloning with a plant already in flower, not an ideal way to do it. I wanted to preserve the purple pheno, and the local grow shop has offered me a really decent price for a few clones. So I am well chuffed to have done it and they're vegging out now.
For someone who only recently started using cannabis, and recently started growing, your plants are quite impressive. Don't be afraid to strip those big old fan leaves once the plants get bushy like that, especially the lower leaves. Clearing out the middle of fan leaves to bring more light and air flow into the plant works well. It's a fine balance between stripping away leaves that are just using energy the plant could be putting into more growth or flower development, and then not stripping away so many that the plant suffers from a lack of leaves with which to manufacture energy from the sun/grow light. Listen to your plants, I know that sounds so new-agey, but it's true. I don't necessarily follow any strict schedule with my plants, and because I often grow several different strains at once, with different needs, I have to pay attention to the way they look to determine what they need, and when. A general outline of what is needed and when is necessary and useful, but there must be flexibility and adaptation embedded in that plan. It's like an educated yet instinctual method of growing and we all find our own favorite ways and tricks. The basics always are the most important, light, moisture, temp, nutes. I have never done hydro, the expense of the set-up is not something I am willing to invest in just yet. I have had such great results from soil growing that I don't see a need to try coco, however, someday I'd love to do a good hydro set up.
Enough of my babbling for tonight. Late night makes me type-y and chatty. Nice to meet you!
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Thanks for the encouragement and advice, especially regarding the defoliation. My plants must not be done stretching because they’re still growing like mad, so I’m thinking I may have to get the snips out again to keep the bushiness in check. It’s been 2 weeks 5 days since I flipped them, but I had them in veg for six.
Those trees you grow look incredible. I didn’t know cannabis grew like that. What kind of yield do you get from them?
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I apologize for my late reply. I will eventually always answer, just a bit sporadic with time spent online. Those trees grew 8-9 feet tall and yielded an average of a pound a plant. One plant gave us two pounds, so our total was just over 9 lbs. Pretty happy with that result. We started with 10 girls last year and ended up with 8. Wind took out two of them in early flower. It was a bit heartbreaking. We smoke kind of a lot, but we still have a bunch of it, probably a little over two pounds. We don’t sell it to anyone, but do gift certain people some bud.
It’s been chilly here and it won’t stop raining. My girls outside are still pretty small. They’re mostly more sativa leaning strains and love heat. I’m hoping that since spring was a little later this year that fall will be as well. I keep most of my indoor plants in veg for about 8 weeks. Some strains need less, but I like them to really flesh out in veg first. The outdoor ladies are started inside about 2-3 weeks before going in the ground outside. I put them right in our fertile soil. We live in a river valley and are surrounded by farms. Therefore our soil and microclimate is ideal for outdoor growing. I am a lucky bitch with a green thumb. I have veggie gardens and flower gardens all around the house. I’m attempting to grow chickpeas this year for the first time. My roses are amazing this year and I’m finally getting blooms on my hydrangeas. Summer is my time. It’s the best time of the year. Can’t wait to see what this summer brings. I still have six clones going strong indoors and my indoor harvest just yielded a bit under 2 lbs, averaging roughly 4 oz per plant.
Defoliating is key, but there’s a balance between too much and too little that is what I strive for in my grows. Do you top them? I top 2 or sometimes 3 times. I kind of defoliate continuously, every couple days I take off a couple of the oldest lower fan leaves, take a few out of the middle, then perform a dramatic lollipop right before I flip. It’s sort of amazing how drastically people can manipulate this plant, many other types of plants won’t tolerate the LST more severe training that we subject our ladies to all the time. Nature is pretty extraordinary. Have you taken your phone or a jewelers loupe to see if trichs are developing yet?
It’s been chilly here and it won’t stop raining. My girls outside are still pretty small. They’re mostly more sativa leaning strains and love heat. I’m hoping that since spring was a little later this year that fall will be as well. I keep most of my indoor plants in veg for about 8 weeks. Some strains need less, but I like them to really flesh out in veg first. The outdoor ladies are started inside about 2-3 weeks before going in the ground outside. I put them right in our fertile soil. We live in a river valley and are surrounded by farms. Therefore our soil and microclimate is ideal for outdoor growing. I am a lucky bitch with a green thumb. I have veggie gardens and flower gardens all around the house. I’m attempting to grow chickpeas this year for the first time. My roses are amazing this year and I’m finally getting blooms on my hydrangeas. Summer is my time. It’s the best time of the year. Can’t wait to see what this summer brings. I still have six clones going strong indoors and my indoor harvest just yielded a bit under 2 lbs, averaging roughly 4 oz per plant.
Defoliating is key, but there’s a balance between too much and too little that is what I strive for in my grows. Do you top them? I top 2 or sometimes 3 times. I kind of defoliate continuously, every couple days I take off a couple of the oldest lower fan leaves, take a few out of the middle, then perform a dramatic lollipop right before I flip. It’s sort of amazing how drastically people can manipulate this plant, many other types of plants won’t tolerate the LST more severe training that we subject our ladies to all the time. Nature is pretty extraordinary. Have you taken your phone or a jewelers loupe to see if trichs are developing yet?
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Weekly check-in. The flip was 3.5 weeks ago, but the plants are still growing quite a bit daily. I had to take the plant on the left off of its little platform to keep it even with the one on the right. Despite the OG Kush on the left being 75% indica, it (in my extremely inexperienced eyes) seems to be a good deal leggier than its 90% indica Punch Pie on the right. It may be that it wanted more light, but I have 300 watts turned all the way up and even closer than the guideline suggests. If anyone has grown OG Kush from RQS, I wonder how it smoked? Indica? Sativa? Right down the middle? It's for a friend of mine who doesn't really care, (they just asked for a hybrid, but they always seem kinda antsy, so I thought I'd lean towards indica for them), but I'd be curious for a smoke report.
I had been keeping a close eye on the reservoirs' ph, but wasn't watching the EC too well. And while the plants were in late veg and right after the flip, it seemed I couldn't give them enough nutes--I was even giving them the GH recommendation at full strength--but on my last grow, the plants got really finicky right after the stretch and I didn't make any adjustments. They ended up with a pretty serious lockout I couldn't identify. It was coco so I just did a major flush and it seemed to halt the issue. This time I thought I be more careful going into flower and when I checked the EC before a res change, it was over 7.0. Whoa! So I mixed up a new batch to 2.2 and just in time, too, because they were just barely starting to show some nute burn on the new leaves. Since then, about 10 days, I've been watching carefully and mixing up the top-off mixture to adjust the nutes in the res to 2.2. My well water is sometimes EC .45 and I'm adding CaliMagic and Silica Blast, so for now, I'm maintaining 2.2 and if the tips continue to show burn, I'll lower it some more. I feel lucky I thought to start paying attention to it. They took their sweet time to grow the first pistils and now they seem to still be stretching, so maybe the high EC in the water slowed their progression somewhat. Otherwise, it seems odd that with the difference in strains, both plants would just happen to take 17 days to show pistils. VPD has remained around 1.2 with temps about 73 in the day.
They certainly survived after the defoliation I did, but now they're getting bushy again, this time with small leaves and for the Punch Pie, a lot of little bud sites. When I start to see their growth slow a little, I'll pull them out again and give them another trim. This time I may take a few of the small sites near the bottom of the plant. They're pretty wispy now so I'm wondering if removing them will bulk up the heftier bud sites up higher?
Whew, that's a lot of words. If anyone is still with me and sees something that I have wrong in my head or if my conclusions are just whacked out of all logic, please, I'm eager to hear about it.
Also happening on the Weedly property are two itty-bitty autos in outdoor pots. The buds on the Northern Lights seem to be getting a little fatter each day, so I might get a little weed off of it--not bad for a free seed and $15 of Ocean Forest. As of yesterday afternoon, the 10-day old seedling that hasn't shown any sign of growth in a week, finally started to show a teeny bit of progress with some new growth. My lesson learned here is that, (as I've been told a dozen times but had to learn for myself) little plants don't like big pots, especially without a careful watering regimen. But, maybe it'll pick up and I'll get a little weed off of it as well. Regardless, these little plants are fun to watch grow unhindered. Now, if it would just stop thunder storming every afternoon and the humidity would drop, maybe I could get some forward momentum.
I had been keeping a close eye on the reservoirs' ph, but wasn't watching the EC too well. And while the plants were in late veg and right after the flip, it seemed I couldn't give them enough nutes--I was even giving them the GH recommendation at full strength--but on my last grow, the plants got really finicky right after the stretch and I didn't make any adjustments. They ended up with a pretty serious lockout I couldn't identify. It was coco so I just did a major flush and it seemed to halt the issue. This time I thought I be more careful going into flower and when I checked the EC before a res change, it was over 7.0. Whoa! So I mixed up a new batch to 2.2 and just in time, too, because they were just barely starting to show some nute burn on the new leaves. Since then, about 10 days, I've been watching carefully and mixing up the top-off mixture to adjust the nutes in the res to 2.2. My well water is sometimes EC .45 and I'm adding CaliMagic and Silica Blast, so for now, I'm maintaining 2.2 and if the tips continue to show burn, I'll lower it some more. I feel lucky I thought to start paying attention to it. They took their sweet time to grow the first pistils and now they seem to still be stretching, so maybe the high EC in the water slowed their progression somewhat. Otherwise, it seems odd that with the difference in strains, both plants would just happen to take 17 days to show pistils. VPD has remained around 1.2 with temps about 73 in the day.
They certainly survived after the defoliation I did, but now they're getting bushy again, this time with small leaves and for the Punch Pie, a lot of little bud sites. When I start to see their growth slow a little, I'll pull them out again and give them another trim. This time I may take a few of the small sites near the bottom of the plant. They're pretty wispy now so I'm wondering if removing them will bulk up the heftier bud sites up higher?
Whew, that's a lot of words. If anyone is still with me and sees something that I have wrong in my head or if my conclusions are just whacked out of all logic, please, I'm eager to hear about it.
Also happening on the Weedly property are two itty-bitty autos in outdoor pots. The buds on the Northern Lights seem to be getting a little fatter each day, so I might get a little weed off of it--not bad for a free seed and $15 of Ocean Forest. As of yesterday afternoon, the 10-day old seedling that hasn't shown any sign of growth in a week, finally started to show a teeny bit of progress with some new growth. My lesson learned here is that, (as I've been told a dozen times but had to learn for myself) little plants don't like big pots, especially without a careful watering regimen. But, maybe it'll pick up and I'll get a little weed off of it as well. Regardless, these little plants are fun to watch grow unhindered. Now, if it would just stop thunder storming every afternoon and the humidity would drop, maybe I could get some forward momentum.
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Just changed the water and topped it as full as possible about 3 gallons going to be gone till Sunday c what happens
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Don't worry about replying late--I'm quite sporadic myself with online stuff. Those trees just boggle my mind. I'm not really in a location where I can grow photos, or else just might give one a shot. I'm in some pretty fertile farmland as well and have wondered how well a plant would grow if I just transplanted it straight into the ground. I have a four plant limit here. Getting a pound off a single plant would show the state something, wouldn't it? I am an extreme lightweight when it comes to using weed, so a pound would last me at least five years and probably more like ten. I guess I'm just extra sensitive to it, which is weird because my tolerance for alcohol is really high. Maybe one of the medications I take multiplies the effects of the weed.
I've been having some issues with the weather here as well for my little autos outside--rain every afternoon and the average humidity of a rainforest. I can bring them inside when it looks like rain and so far they've only been drenched once. I think the little seedling I have might be a lost cause since it's 11 days old now and almost no growth for the last eight. It's supposed to go from seed to harvest in ten weeks, which I know is a very optimistic data point, but still, if two of those weeks are negated, it seems it's a waste of a growing season for one of four plants. I'm going to plant a seed today to transplant in that pot if the one in there now doesn't pick up quickly, which is kind of a bummer because I only had one of those seeds and I was really hoping to get some of that strain for my friend, who picked it out. Oh well, the OG Kush in the tent is doing really well and I should get a at least a couple ounces of that for her. I get serotonin syndrome very easy and all but the purest indicas send me through the roof, so I won't be trying any of those. (The sample size for my testing on sativa vs. indica is pretty limited, but so far it's been decidedly clear cut on the matter.)
I usually do pretty well growing things myself, but I've mostly given up on gardens and such since there's always a chance I won't be able to tend to them for a few weeks at a time. It's a risk with weed as well, but so far I've been lucky, about 8 months now, so that's a win in my book.
I'm getting a little more confident with defoliation now, but I didn't expect my plants to bush out so much after I did that big defoliation. That was easy because I just removed the big leaves that were blocking air and light. Now, I have a ton of small leaves hindering those things and it's going to take some studying the plants to figure which leaves to remove. I know the importance of maintaining clearance for the buds since I didn't defoliate my last grow and ended up with a lot of very low quality, fluffy stuff. I did top the plants in the tent twice following the mainlining tutorial on Grow Weed Easy, which has been a wealth of information so far, but the early defoliation it called for really stunted the plants in the beginning. I do see some trichs forming on the leaves, but I'm quite certain my plants are still in full-on stretch mode since the hybrid grew two inches last night. I wasn't watching the EC as well as I should have been and I think I slowed their progression through the transition phase by a week or two. They still look healthy though, so I don't think I hurt anything too much except push back the harvest date.
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That plant is exactly what I've been shooting for. What type of training and defoliation did you do to it to get all those bud laden colas like that? My plants are drinking about a gallon a day, so I'm really interested to see how yours fare while you're away.
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Some of those trees in my pic are OG Kush, the biggest colas came from the OG last year. The others are Pineapple Express. I have been smoking for over 32 years, so my tolerance has grown over the years, parallel to the increase in potency. It's been 9 or 10 years since I have consumed alcohol, I much prefer to smoke. It's just something that I decided I didn't want to spend money on, nor do I like the taste. Alcohol reminds me of my regretful, hazy, self-medicating days. I also have paradoxical reactions to some meds, so while indicas are what are recommended for my conditions, sativas and hybrid sativas are what work best for me. I want to be functional and that's how I manage to be very productive and also mostly sane. If I were to down a vodka and cranberry today I would probably render myself completely inebriated with one drink, my tolerance is nil. Meds can mess with other meds, no matter the variety. Serotonin syndrome sounds similar to mania, without the euphoria. Mania is a familiar face, however much less seldom seen since age has caught up with me.
What is the EC? I haven't educated myself on hydro set-ups and protocols, so I am unsure for what that is an acronym. I haven't ever grown anything except photos. I have a few auto seeds that I want to try at some point, but I haven't done autos yet. I have a 6 plant limit, and since myself and another household member are medical card holders, our limit is 12 total. I stretch that limit indoors, but not outside.
If you take your phone camera and set it on 7x zoom, and get in close to the buds, you will be able to see the trichomes up close and be able to tell when they are ready for harvest. It takes a steady hand, I usually have to perch on a stool and use both hands on the phone, and turn off my fans for a moment, but when you get a clear pic it looks really interesting, and you'll be able to see the progression from clear to cloudy to amber. Your plants do look healthy. Bushy perhaps but healthy. I learned my lesson once about defoliating too much or too early, it's sort of something you just sometimes have to learn the hard way, along with not defoliating enough.
What is your PPFD in your tent? Are you using LEDs? I keep my vegging plants around 600ish, and in flower I crank it up to roughly 900. I took a pic of my outside set up today and the tiny plants that are started in my "cage". I just bought a new computer and it's been a learning curve to figure out transferring pics from phone to computer, but I am going to try. It's interesting to see the beginning photos because the ending photos look so vastly different.
What is the EC? I haven't educated myself on hydro set-ups and protocols, so I am unsure for what that is an acronym. I haven't ever grown anything except photos. I have a few auto seeds that I want to try at some point, but I haven't done autos yet. I have a 6 plant limit, and since myself and another household member are medical card holders, our limit is 12 total. I stretch that limit indoors, but not outside.
If you take your phone camera and set it on 7x zoom, and get in close to the buds, you will be able to see the trichomes up close and be able to tell when they are ready for harvest. It takes a steady hand, I usually have to perch on a stool and use both hands on the phone, and turn off my fans for a moment, but when you get a clear pic it looks really interesting, and you'll be able to see the progression from clear to cloudy to amber. Your plants do look healthy. Bushy perhaps but healthy. I learned my lesson once about defoliating too much or too early, it's sort of something you just sometimes have to learn the hard way, along with not defoliating enough.
What is your PPFD in your tent? Are you using LEDs? I keep my vegging plants around 600ish, and in flower I crank it up to roughly 900. I took a pic of my outside set up today and the tiny plants that are started in my "cage". I just bought a new computer and it's been a learning curve to figure out transferring pics from phone to computer, but I am going to try. It's interesting to see the beginning photos because the ending photos look so vastly different.
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Enough water left to still blow bubbles 
must have got a little rough found a broken top
must have got a little rough found a broken top
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