Should I add UVB Light?

MIMedGrower · Apr 4, 2021

Moshmen said:
Dispensary- 4 letter word down here they are horrible

duh. I missed that one. The supposed Michigan medical dispensaries are why I started growing instead of brokering. Man the store weed here sucked. I had such high hopes.

sshz · Apr 4, 2021

I do a lot of business in like 9-10 different states with dispensaries and I hear nothing but complaints. Occasionally something really nice comes thru and they jack the price up to $425 or so for a whole oz., depending on the state. My nephew runs a dispensary in Philly and he looks at my stuff and says they have nothing that can touch it. I have an old girlfriend who lives in Michigan and there was a study recently that stated over 70% of the weed sold in the state has mold in it. LOL Needless to say, she and her friends are good customers.

Milson · Apr 4, 2021

425 would be quite inexpensive for an ounce of dispensary product in chicago. Maybe smalls/popcorn.

sshz · Apr 4, 2021

So what are they charging you for top shelf? Most place I’ve seen sell their 1/8th’s for crazy amounts, but once you get into oz’s, it become more reasonable. Actually, for anyone reading, what are your dispensaries selling top shelf oz’s for? I think I’m selling my buds too cheap. Lol

Milson · Apr 4, 2021

sshz said:
So what are they charging you for top shelf? Most place I’ve seen sell their 1/8th’s for crazy amounts, but once you get into oz’s, it become more reasonable. Actually, for anyone reading, what are your dispensaries selling top shelf oz’s for? I think I’m selling my buds too cheap. Lol

You mostly cannot buy ounces. Eighths are 60-65. Sometimes you can get a quarter of smalls for a hundred or a half for 200. But again, smalls. There isn't really a point in selling the top shelf in bulk because it will move.

I'm not exactly deal hunting or anything, but that seems fairly standard. This is with a medical card btw.

This is in a fairly well off part of chicago. It might be cheaper elsewhere.

sshz · Apr 4, 2021

I do see oz's for sale on menu's people send me, but 60-65 for an 1/8 seems pretty normal for the better stuff. I also see a lot of stuff in the 40-45 range but nothing I would ever consider smoking......anyone else? I'm going to try and post some menu's, if I can find them.........

sshz · Apr 5, 2021

I forgot to mention my replacement dehumidifier arrived. If you remember, the one I had bought last July for $233 started acting funny- the fan would not turn off, even when the compressor shut down. It was still working, but wouldn't have lasted very long. So it came with a 1 year warrant, and I bought an additional year for $18.

I contacted Frigidaire, the new one arrived within a week. The old one still works, but I put the new one in the room and will store the old one for emergencies. Frigidaire stands behind their warranty, and the unit can really suck the moisture out of the air when it's cranked up. On days I water, I can get about 3 gallons of water out of the air, which I add to my water reservoir to water with.

Madmax · Apr 5, 2021

425 is absurd coming from a legal state that rip people off that really need it...here its illegal and you def wont pay that for an 0z ..more like 200-300 max for good quality..i hope it stays illegal here cause it wont change all that much.people will b always buying through the black market than pay that .

sshz · Apr 5, 2021

In the same vain, my new Medify Air Scrubber is supposed to arrive tomorrow- we'll see. We were out on Easter from 11AM til 8:30PM and when we arrived home- the house smelled musky, but I didn't smell the plants. The Phresh Filters have probably helped some. I have high hopes for this new unit off of people's reviews and comments on it. For $600, at a minimum I'm hoping my allergies and asthma greatly improve. I'll keep everyone informed.

sshz · Apr 5, 2021

Sorry, those were meant for my Gavita thread......too late to delete. LOL

Madmax · Apr 5, 2021

Id blame those gummies you make.

sshz · Apr 5, 2021

I just messaged you the same thing......guilty as charged!

Milson · Apr 5, 2021

Madmax said:
425 is absurd coming from a legal state that rip people off that really need it...here its illegal and you def wont pay that for an 0z ..more like 200-300 max for good quality..i hope it stays illegal here cause it wont change all that much.people will b always buying through the black market than pay that .

I mean yeah, black market prices are like that here too. It's doing fine. Just not something I feel like dealing with since I only buy as a stop gap these days and the difference in money is immaterial to me.

Milson · Apr 5, 2021

Moe.Red said:
I will re-run this plate with only 3 lanes so the control can be better quantified.

I have video of this entire process in the can if anyone doubts the process.

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Just want to re-up this over having the same damn conversation again, comfortable as that is.

Very interesting data point.

The notion that uv only raises thc is scientifically dubious to say the least. I think it's likely the people who say that are just wrong. Not just based on this data point, but it fits.

The only way this thc-exclusive claim would be true is if uvr8 only modulates thcas. I don't think that's true. I think it modulates the common precursor (cbga) by influencing the processes on that chemical's precursors. Whether it also influences the production of thcas idk, but i doubt it's exclusive. An explanation for why it doesn't raise cbd is it hasn't been tried with functional genes for both thcas and cbdas (in the papers this claim is based on). I would expect a plant without a functional thcas gene to either try something else (secondary sunblock processes being heightened) or suffer pretty badly under uv and burn off a lot of chemicals in its tissues.

I think a uv study on a 50/50 strain would yield another interesting data point.

Moe.Red · Apr 5, 2021

Can you tell which one was under UV?

2 sides of the same plant, same hydro system, same primary lighting, same nutes, same CO2 - you name it. The only difference is supplemental UV.

I did not cherry pick these areas, they are both fresh cuts from the control and sample buds.

Now I'm gonna go dry these out and TLC them again. I want to see how the cannabinoids are responding as this progresses. Maybe this will help us pinpoint the processes at play in the UVR8

PS - sorry I ditched out yesterday, I had a nice case of cheese dick that had me on the couch moaning and being a baby.

Moe.Red · Apr 5, 2021

They are getting another 45 minutes of UV right now.

My overall assessment is that there was initial damage but it does not seem to be getting worse. Time will tell.

At the end of this 45 minute dose, we will be at day 7. Do you think I timed the 2 weeks right?

Moe.Red · Apr 5, 2021

Milson said:
Just want to re-up this over having the same damn conversation again, comfortable as that is.

Very interesting data point.

The notion that uv only raises thc is scientifically dubious to say the least. I think it's likely the people who say that are just wrong. Not just based on this data point, but it fits.

The only way this thc-exclusive claim would be true is if uvr8 only modulates thcas. I don't think that's true. I think it modulates the common precursor (cbga) by influencing the processes on that chemical's precursors. Whether it also influences the production of thcas idk, but i doubt it's exclusive. An explanation for why it doesn't raise cbd is it hasn't been tried with functional genes for both thcas and cbdas (in the papers this claim is based on). I would expect a plant without a functional thcas gene to either try something else (secondary sunblock processes being heightened) or suffer pretty badly under uv and burn off a lot of chemicals in its tissues.

I think a uv study on a 50/50 strain would yield another interesting data point.

I think that is as good a hypothesis as I have heard. I'm gonna refrain from guessing, I don't want to get locked on to a way of thought and even subconsciously steer this test.

I'm a bit sad there is no CBD in this strain to look at right now. But I just got in a 20:1 CBD strain from Ace Seeds, I can certainly give that a try. But yes, a full complement of cannabinoids in the same plant would be ideal. I am almost to the point that I think we should be TLC testing daily to see if we can pick out the CBG being converted. I'm also interested to see when we start to develop CBN, so I may run this test past it's prime to see that result play out. At any rate, I'm taking daily samples now just in case we need to backtrack and see what happened.

Milson · Apr 5, 2021

Moe.Red said:
At the end of this 45 minute dose, we will be at day 7. Do you think I timed the 2 weeks right?

Yes, or very near.

Moe.Red · Apr 5, 2021

Milson said:
You're never going to believe this, but i did some digging. This rabbit hole brought to you by haze + widow.

haha love ya man.

Milson said:
Is nobody going to comment on having an extremely clear positive result after six days?

I'm starting to think I am doing this for you and me. I'm OK with that.

Is the science that hard to follow along?

Milson · Apr 5, 2021

Moe.Red said:
I am almost to the point that I think we should be TLC testing daily to see if we can pick out the CBG being converted. I'm also interested to see when we start to develop CBN, so I may run this test past it's prime to see that result play out. At any rate, I'm taking daily samples now just in case we need to backtrack and see what happened.

I am suspicious we are early enough to catch too much cbg being converted. It looks like the ratio shifts earlier. I think whatever has been normally released has been released....which would mean a big shift would signal that thcas is being produced in a higher quantity than normal by the uvr8, perhaps?

Below are some graphs charting THC and CBG during flower under three light regimens: t5s then hps, t5s then led, and led then hps. But the led they used was hilariously underpowered (their focus seemed to be getting it blue leaning) and they put it the same distance as the HPS because that apparently made sense to them (it was so painful to read in the methods). So I don't think there is that much to learn from this re: hps vs LED except what happens when you stunt the absolute shit out of a plant in veg vs flower. Which is something I guess idk.

You can read this full paper here http://milsonmilson.me/index.php/2021/03/06/led-where/

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