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You need to treat that more like soil, not coco, and have regular wet dry cycles.I read in the sticky posts that you should never let coco dry out. I was busy for a couple days and one of my plants had wilted leaves i.e. in need of water.
What happens if coco dries out? How do I recover?
Thank you.
For reference, I am in coco-perlite with 20% worm castings and organic dry amendments.
Yeah, I tend to agree here, pick a grow style and do that one right.You need to treat that more like soil, not coco, and have regular wet dry cycles.
I see guys add stuff to their coco all the time, and I have no idea why y'all do it. The whole idea of coco is to treat it like hydro and fertigate your plants, i.e. feed them nutrients when you water.
Good luck! Pretty much every grow I've seen with organic amended coco runs into problems.
Yeah, I tend to agree here, pick a grow style and do that one right.
Are you saying it uptakes the nutrients before the water is gone? Trying to make sense out of this.... the plant runs out of water even when the coco is still heavy. It binds alof of "deadwater" to quill its fibers
Not at all.Are you saying it uptakes the nutrients before the water is gone?
It is my understanding that when you start adding organic additives such as earthworm castings and other organic additives, that the media then does retain water longer, which is why you need more of a wet/dry cycle.Not at all.
I'm refering to the "water matrix potential" that has it defined that a plant's root can only drink free soil-adhesive water (also adhesive in its pores or its capillars).
Some material however bind a certain amount of water (e.g. fibers that quill) and that water cannot be gained by the plant. It's considered dead-water.
The cocofiber needs way more water for itself than e.g. peat. Thus, you gotta water coco much so
Have you seen my posts lol.It is my understanding that when you start adding organic additives such as earthworm castings and other organic additives, that the media then does retain water longer, which is why you need more of a wet/dry cycle.
Also, unless I'm mistaken, adding those organic ingredients to coco is essentially starting the compost cycle on your coco and breaking it down into soil.
Not trying to be argumentative or god forbid claim to be an expert on the subject, and will defer to more experienced minds.
edited for typos. Damn stoned typist.
I admit, I do spend a lot of time schooling myself reading your threads. The wet/dry cycle was definitely picked up from you. The organic additives starting to compost the coco was something I think I picked up from Texas Kid or one of the local TX crew years ago when I first switched to coco (2005-ish?). Which is part of why I never tried it. The other part is because, like I said, almost, ALMOST, every grow I've seen doing it runs into trouble along the way. There have been exceptions. Me? I have enough problems just running straight coco. It was easier when I could do ebb and flo, but I just can't handle the res changes anymore. Damn COPD and other issues now kicking my azz.Have you seen my posts lol.
you are correct in your thinking… personally id go peat for that route. Coco doesnt have the CEC well suited to organics imo. When going coco i think its best to stay coco
I have early stages also… i use pumps and automation now because well tbh im lazy.I admit, I do spend a lot of time schooling myself reading your threads. The wet/dry cycle was definitely picked up from you. The organic additives starting to compost the coco was something I think I picked up from Texas Kid or one of the local TX crew years ago when I first switched to coco (2005-ish?). Which is part of why I never tried it. The other part is because, like I said, almost, ALMOST, every grow I've seen doing it runs into trouble along the way. There have been exceptions. Me? I have enough problems just running straight coco. It was easier when I could do ebb and flo, but I just can't handle the res changes anymore. Damn COPD and other issues now kicking my azz.
I admit, I do spend a lot of time schooling myself reading your threads. The wet/dry cycle was definitely picked up from you. The organic additives starting to compost the coco was something I think I picked up from Texas Kid or one of the local TX crew years ago when I first switched to coco (2005-ish?). Which is part of why I never tried it. The other part is because, like I said, almost, ALMOST, every grow I've seen doing it runs into trouble along the way. There have been exceptions. Me? I have enough problems just running straight coco. It was easier when I could do ebb and flo, but I just can't handle the res changes anymore. Damn COPD and other issues now kicking my azz.Have you seen my posts lol.
you are correct in your thinking… personally id go peat for that route. Coco doesnt have the CEC well suited to organics imo. When going coco i think its best to stay coco
Brother, I've been watching that one too. Kind of feel like I'm emotionally invested in it lol.I have early stages also… i use pumps and automation now because well tbh im lazy.
aeroponics is much more efficient maybe up your ally. check out @Moe.Red fogponic grow as this is also a system we are working on that should be very efficient and effective once the bugs gets worked out if there are any.
Fogponics. As good or better than Hydro?
Man, I honestly thought you were going for STOKED!! Ahahaha. I see pumped now in pukoed if I squint a little. For those not inside the joke, Aqua can't type worth shit. I put a recent Aquaism under my avatar.www.thcfarmer.com
Me too. But I'll tell you don't do fog without a chiller or Aqua's thingy. It gets hot in the res from the ultrasonics. Still working on thatI admit, I do spend a lot of time schooling myself reading your threads. The wet/dry cycle was definitely picked up from you. The organic additives starting to compost the coco was something I think I picked up from Texas Kid or one of the local TX crew years ago when I first switched to coco (2005-ish?). Which is part of why I never tried it. The other part is because, like I said, almost, ALMOST, every grow I've seen doing it runs into trouble along the way. There have been exceptions. Me? I have enough problems just running straight coco. It was easier when I could do ebb and flo, but I just can't handle the res changes anymore. Damn COPD and other issues now kicking my azz.
Brother, I've been watching that one too. Kind of feel like I'm emotionally invested in it lol.
what I do here when I have a new mix I'll allow the pot to run out of water to behold, when the lower branches start getting droopy, and then feel the pot-weight. To get a max border for this where you optimally never reach into. So you gotta a half day or a day to arrive at the moment before and then water.It is my understanding that when you start adding organic additives such as earthworm castings and other organic additives, that the media then does retain water longer, which is why you need more of a wet/dry cycle.
Also, unless I'm mistaken, adding those organic ingredients to coco is essentially starting the compost cycle on your coco and breaking it down into soil.
I got similar mix. I'm fully organic grower outdoor as well. Even when you put organic amendments you can still treat it as cocopeat one you have enough aeration amendments (like perlite) and you planted you plants in a pot with adequate height like 12-16". By doing so the top layer usually stays around 70 to 80% saturation even right after watering. On watering water atleast 1 per day or every other day to ensure your media remains within ph because in organic soil the microbes also respire and released carbon dioxide gas that binds to calcium to create calcium carbonate that creeps you pH up over 7.5 in a few days.. at that point your plants will not be happy. Soo water one per day with solution buffered to 6...till 10% runoff to ensure ph stability in your media. I also feed with every watering. It's easy when you got 20000 gal of organic nutrients lying around.I read in the sticky posts that you should never let coco dry out. I was busy for a couple days and one of my plants had wilted leaves i.e. in need of water.
What happens if coco dries out? How do I recover?
Thank you.
For reference, I am in coco-perlite with 20% worm castings and organic dry amendments.
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