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We are a commercial company in the Netherlands and want to promote our seed projects, it is a natural thing to do.
Therefore we participate in various Cups in order to see how good our product is compared to the current competition.
Since we were successful, we shared those results with the public but are not hyping our strain in an unnecessary way.
The actual hype is created by threads like this one.
We are currently working on a BX as well as a fem version of the StarBud.
For the Starbud BX we initially did an out cross to our exceptional Blueberry daddy from DJ Short.
Of course, selecting from only 10 seeds limits your choices automatically, compared to selecting from 100 or even 1000 seeds, but rest assured we will only release the seed lines, when we are completely satisfied and sure that you will find the real deal phenos.
Yes, compared to other breeders who are selling their seeds on hype alone, we are testing our products before we release them. Who says we will be cheap?
And SkyHi please get your facts straight, since NO, we did not receive any clones from the midwest but quite a few unlabeled seeds in which we found the clone.
SkyHi (or JJ), do us a favour and tell us the real (and we mean the really real) linage of the Chem Dawg!? Will you?
We are a commercial company in the Netherlands and want to promote our seed projects, it is a natural thing to do.
Therefore we participate in various Cups in order to see how good our product is compared to the current competition.
Since we were successful, we shared those results with the public but are not hyping our strain in an unnecessary way.
The actual hype is created by threads like this one.
We are currently working on a BX as well as a fem version of the StarBud.
For the Starbud BX we initially did an out cross to our exceptional Blueberry daddy from DJ Short.
Of course, selecting from only 10 seeds limits your choices automatically, compared to selecting from 100 or even 1000 seeds, but rest assured we will only release the seed lines, when we are completely satisfied and sure that you will find the real deal phenos.
Im sorry i dont know the real lineage of Chemdawg, although im not Calling my self a "real" breeder or im a making money or winning awards with it either...Oh and standing up for your self is admirable, the condescending tone in which you chose to do it is, well, shameful,I hope this isnt a reflection of your customer service....
Hortilab
U shared result with the public therefor u are creating the hype. The public can check cups result by them self. I seriously doubt this kind of thread creat hype, specialy when i check the poll result.
U should be aware that a lot of medical grower don't have the space and knowledge to angle a 100 plants grow specialy to look for one pheno when u're not a breeder.
If it's the clone that have won the titles, it's not the strain that u will creat out of it, yet. So lets see...
By the way nice pic! That bud look good for sure.
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What's your point? Mr Haze has reported a kushy, fuel taste. What other strains do you know that fit that description? Chemdawg is the only one that I know of.SkyHi (or JJ), do us a favour and tell us the real (and we mean the really real) linage of the Chem Dawg!? Will you?
What's your point? Mr Haze has reported a kushy, fuel taste. What other strains do you know that fit that description? Chemdawg is the only one that I know of.
Quick question. You are releasing Starbud on 420? Is that pretested by you? Or are you gonna let the farmers pretest your 420 drop?
So you entered a clone only strain that you didn't even make yourself into the cup? That's like me entering the Chemdawg into the cup.We are currently working on a BX as well as a fem version of the StarBud.
For the Starbud BX we initially did an out cross to our exceptional Blueberry daddy from DJ Short.
we did not receive any clones from the midwest but quite a few unlabeled seeds in which we found the clone.
So you entered a clone only strain that you didn't even make yourself into the cup?
That's like me entering the Chemdawg into the cup.
Why didn't you incross the Starbud to the seeds you found them in?
I think your outcross to the Blueberry won't truely represent your Starbud clone and just make a new kind of strain that represents both strains. Your fem line might represent the Starbud clone better.
You know nobody knows the real lineage of the Chem.
Are you suggesting that you have something pre Chem Dawg? What's your point? Have you ever seen the real Chem Dawg?
Hey JJ-NYC,
It is hard for me to comment this, since here in Holland Chem~ genetics are pretty rare and I am honestly not familiar with them.
The only time I sampled a so called "Chemdog" bud was from the "Greenhouse" crew, which was unfortunately not very good nor comparable to our "Starbud" (and probably any real Chemdog).
This is also the first time I hear the statement that some "people" think Starbud is a Chemdog creation. Just curious, are those "people" defined by High Times?
Of course you never know, but I do not see a link in our case.
Anyways, if you will be in Amsterdam in the future we will have a "Starbud" sample for you to check out.
I believe, you don't know what the Starbud is made of. If you don't know what the Chemdawg is, then you don't know if your Starbud has Chemdawg in it. We might not know what the Chemdawg is made of. But we do know when some strain has Chemdawg in it just like the Haze.It has those telltale signs in taste, smell, and high.As does nobody when it comes to the StarBud. If we knew what it is, we would let everybody know. But we don´t!
we have not worked or sampled any real Chem Dawg,
I believe, you don't know what the Starbud is made of. If you don't know what the Chemdawg is, then you don't know if your Starbud has Chemdawg in it. We might not know what the Chemdawg is made of. But we do know when some strain has Chemdawg in it just like the Haze.It has those telltale signs in taste, smell, and high.
@ Horti, you have to see where we are all comming from here. Your story about the strain has more holes in it than a piece of swiss cheese. You give details where they dont matter,(large shipping container) and leave them out when they do matter(what plants where being grown in the shipping container, and what strains caused the accidental male pollination). To me it sounds like you were hopping no one would pick apart the story.
We have a large amount of farmers from the midwest, none of which have ever heard of the starbud. I hate to sound like debbie downer, I just dont believe your story.
QUOTE]Hey what ever happened to the Jan release of the fem starbud?? Why the delay?
Can you at least acknowledge that you MAY be working with the stardawg, or chem, and dont even know it??? Im just perplexed by your comments man.
It is hard for me to comment this, since here in Holland Chem~ genetics are pretty rare and I am honestly not familiar with them.
The only time I sampled a so called "Chemdog" bud was from the "Greenhouse" crew, which was unfortunately not very good nor comparable to our "Starbud" (and probably any real Chemdog).
This is also the first time I hear the statement that some "people" think Starbud is a Chemdog creation. Just curious, are those "people" defined by High Times?
Of course you never know, but I do not see a link in our case.
Hortilab
Well after reading ur post, i can tell it's a commercial strategy u have used to make ur work famous. It's obvious, the clone only strain, the cups trophee, the unknow lineage those are good point when u want to creat a hype around a mystery killer strain that don't even exist in seed form yet.
However i know u won't agree and i understand why.
Thats what happens with Chemodog, OG kush and Bubba etc...Best wait to get the closest from the clone are s1 IMO or the clone lol....hey by the way if ur looking for testers i will be more than happy to help.
i am still waiting for an answer on my previous questions, i am not feeling the love, you answered everyone but me
Hortilab - what was the strain that was accidentally pollinated to create the starbud? would you consider the starbud and unstable strain on it's own? is that why you are trying to preserve it by out crossing it?
my only question to hortilab is why enter all these contests when you dont even have a fully tested seed line to release with these contests? also if your winning these events with your starbud mom, how does that mean that the starbud seedline is the same thing that is winning the cups?
Let the beans do the talking! I hate the secrecy shit, people want to know what there growing nowadays, and when there is complete vagueness in part of the breeder it makes me not interested in there product. But when the seeds do come out and people grow and share there results we will all know for sure whats what with this "Starbud".
well i must say that is has been a good debate thread. i really enjoyed reading it. I think both sides here are makin' really good points. i dont even know what the star bud looks like....lets see some pics of the starbud next to the stardawg....can anyone make this happen?
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