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So even though I am feeding at a pretty low EC of .9 - 1, you think I am overfeeding? Should I be giving plain water in between feeds, or feed every time? I am used to an inert coco/perlite mix, but this is kind of a hybrid mix, the Coco Loco by Foxfarm...You are giving them food faster then they are consuming it, and this is causing a soil acidity that goes a little deeper every feeding, and is likely why your PH is trending downward. Every time you water til drainage, the residual salts are flushing out and summed on top of the measurements of the nutrient solution going in.
Flush with PH neutral water, then refeed at prob 10-15% the tds/EC you were running for feed before. Keep tabs on drainage, if the trend continues, cut another 10-15% off the tds.
The damage on your leaves is a calcium lockout caused by the acidic trend in the soil. Calcium is the first element to lock out with an acidic trend, Magnesium will follow, and then potassium IIRC
Oh yea, definitely over feeding then. Just not enough to cause burn. You need to flush until the drainage is the same, or very close to the same as the input ph, or you didnt actually flush fully lol. and wait til the next dry cycle is done so you dont cause any rot btw. In a 3 gallons pot, you may need up to 6-8 gallons for a real flush.So even though I am feeding at a pretty low EC of .9 - 1, you think I am overfeeding? Should I be giving plain water in between feeds, or feed every time? I am used to an inert coco/perlite mix, but this is kind of a hybrid mix, the Coco Loco by Foxfarm...
I am aware that the damage is a calcium issue, my main concern is the pH drop. I know once I fix the root of this issue the calcium lockout would resolve.
I did flush the medium significantly and the runoff was coming out very low, so I figured that was sufficient, but the pH is still low. If there was still salt buildup wouldn't the runoff EC suggest this with a HIGHER reading rather than a low one?
Well technically it is a coco/soilless medium, so I'm pretty close with the EC. So just so I'm understanding why exactly you think I'm overfeeding, is it because of the strength/EC of my feeding, or more so the frequency?Oh yea, definitely over feeding then. Just not enough to cause burn. You need to flush until the drainage is the same, or very close to the same as the input ph, or you didnt actually flush fully lol. and wait til the next dry cycle is done so you dont cause any rot btw. In a 3 gallons pot, you may need up to 6-8 gallons for a real flush.
If you are feeding every watering you need to be at like 350ppm/0.6 in soil. If you move to peat/perlite, or coco you can get by up to about 600 with most strains.
Im feeding every watering for consistency sake rn, and im running it between 300 and 350.
Most growers feed high, then water a couple times, then feed high again.
That all jives with what I had previously learned, I guess where I've confused myself is trying to adopt a soil growers mindset because the Coco Loco is pre amended with stuff. I began the grow just giving them water then ran into Calcium issues so I started feeding heavy and that seemed to fix the issue for a while. Makes sense tho that now I have a salt problem causing the same issue. I think either way most of the nutrition that was loaded into the medium from the get go has probably been consumed, so I SHOULD be treating it more like hydro now right? -Of course with lower EC feeding and lower pH to promote uptake-you should be feeding at 5.8-6.3 in straight coco as well. You are technically growing hydroponically using coco.
Feeding at 6.5 is probably what was initially making her feed slow, before that created an acidification cycle because the nutes are acidic..
That is fascinating. I am always so analytical with this stuff so this is great info! And I am appreciative of your detailed responses, thank you for putting some thought into my issues!Fun fact:
The reason calcium is the first lockout deficiency to show so fast, is because when calcium swings acidic, it will automatically change state of calcium, to a salt that is unusable by plants.
This locks calcium out of the roots because calcium hcl cant be absorbed by them, but it also turns the calcium already in the leaves to a salt too, physically scarring the tissue unrecoverably.
thats actually hard to answer. i use a good bit of coir and peat in my mixes, but i always treat them as soil PH wise even if plants have been in there a long time. Even if the coir is only 20% soil mixed in, id still treat it as soil.That all jives with what I had previously learned, I guess where I've confused myself is trying to adopt a soil growers mindset because the Coco Loco is pre amended with stuff. I began the grow just giving them water then ran into Calcium issues so I started feeding heavy and that seemed to fix the issue for a while. Makes sense tho that now I have a salt problem causing the same issue. I think either way most of the nutrition that was loaded into the medium from the get go has probably been consumed, so I SHOULD be treating it more like hydro now right? -Of course with lower EC feeding and lower pH to promote uptake-
I guess that's what confuses me....what do you mean treat it like soil? Other than a slightly higher pH, what difference is there in treatment? Longer dry-back? (But isn't this more just because it takes longer to dry and holds less O2?)thats actually hard to answer. i use a good bit of coir and peat in my mixes, but i always treat them as soil PH wise even if plants have been in there a long time. Even if the coir is only 20% soil mixed in, id still treat it as soil.
I have no idea what the parts and ratios of your soil is though, so im not actually going to answer that question in a specific way lmao.
i was mainly just meaning PH wise. I water til drainage in soil, but not much drainage, and like 40%+ of my mix is perlite so i an have a more rapid dry cycle, I water every day in my current mix pretty much, and always hovering around 300ppm feed (most) every watering.I guess that's what confuses me....what do you mean treat it like soil? Other than a slightly higher pH, what difference is there in treatment? Longer dry-back? (But isn't this more just because it takes longer to dry and holds less O2?)
Less frequent feeding, no runoff?
That's the way I understood it, but hesitate to let the medium get too dry because I learned to grow in coco, keeping it pretty moist always.
Oh I absolutely understand it's hard to give solid answers with this stuff, especially through text and photos... It really seems you like to grow in a similar fashion to the way I am used to as well. I think I will try and flush the one plant again once it dries out again and back off on feed strength. I will also begin lowering input pH and letting it range like I am used to.im just giving information as opposed to an answer here because thats a very difficult question to answer if i dont know exactly what is in that particular mix. (really it's an impossible to answer question lmao) And i dont really have a way to explain the ec reading along side the acidic drainage ph.
Al i know for sure, is you have some early nute burn, and overfeeding, and lockout symptoms going on and soil is beginning to acidify, which is an symptom of the other problems being present but minor for an extended period. How high is your PK in your current ratio? no signs of N tox.
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