SWEET BABY JESUS HELP ME!!!!

Lemonsdopegrow · May 14, 2020

I have 6 soil plants and 5 coco coir that have been amended with 2 scoops per gallon of 4-4-4 all purpose time release and I water the soil plants around 6.5 and the coco coir at 6.0 the temp ranges at 75 to 80 in the room I water the coco coir every day to every other day slightly just to make the top soil moist. With the soil I water every every 2 days usually but I tend to spread it out more but the issue is on both soil and coco coir plants and seems to be spreading fast. At first I thought it was mobile meaning it started from the bottom but now I’m not sure. Some of it looks like blotches that start in the mid leaf but most starts at the tips. With the coco coir I had a recent ph issue causing a iron deficiency and It has been fixed but I’ve done extensive research and I’m just not 100 percent sure what I’m dealing with can anyone help please?!?!?!

threatco · May 14, 2020

It looks like bleaching from too much light coupled with stress from said bleaching causing the deformed tips.

Total guess though, I would seek more expert opinions.

Lemonsdopegrow · May 14, 2020

threatco said:
It looks like bleaching from too much light coupled with stress from said bleaching causing the deformed tips.

Total guess though, I would seek more expert opinions.

I’m looking for more info but but nothing yet

GNick55 · May 14, 2020

Lemonsdopegrow said:
I have 6 soil plants and 5 coco coir that have been amended with 2 scoops per gallon of 4-4-4 all purpose time release and I water the soil plants around 6.5 and the coco coir at 6.0 the temp ranges at 75 to 80 in the room I water the coco coir every day to every other day slightly just to make the top soil moist. With the soil I water every every 2 days usually but I tend to spread it out more but the issue is on both soil and coco coir plants and seems to be spreading fast. At first I thought it was mobile meaning it started from the bottom but now I’m not sure. Some of it looks like blotches that start in the mid leaf but most starts at the tips. With the coco coir I had a recent ph issue causing a iron deficiency and It has been fixed but I’ve done extensive research and I’m just not 100 percent sure what I’m dealing with can anyone help please?!?!?!

overwatering
also seedlings do not need any nutes until the two small round cotyledons leaves are dying. the seed comes with everything it needs until than.

Lemonsdopegrow · May 14, 2020

GNick55 said:
overwatering
also seedlings do not need any nutes until the two small round cotyledons leaves are dying. the seed comes with everything it needs until than.

THANK YOU thats what i was suspecting but wasnt sure ok i wont use nutes any more while sprouting

GNick55 · May 14, 2020

Lemonsdopegrow said:
THANK YOU thats what i was suspecting but wasnt sure ok i wont use nutes any more while sprouting

looks like your pretty much there, just start with a tiny bit, as giving to strong a dose is worse than a light dose.

GNick55 · May 15, 2020

GNick55 said:
looks like your pretty much there, just start with a tiny bit, as giving to strong a dose is worse than a light dose.

i know wood chips aren’t particularly good to have in your soil, what kind is that?

OldManRiver · May 15, 2020

Overwatering, and overfeeding to come. You generally don't want to use time release ferts with pot. You want to be able to change the level of nitrogen, in particular, over the plant's life. Also, since you are clearly new, you need to understand that fertilizer is NOT FOOD. It's more like vitamins. Light is food. If you supply more ferts than the plant can use due to available light, they will be toxic. Also, know that overwatering looks like a deficiency. This is because overwatering kills the root ends, and the plant struggles to obtain nutes and water from the soil. Pot roots in particular like being on the edge of dry.

GNick55 · May 15, 2020

OldManRiver said:
Overwatering, and overfeeding to come. You generally don't want to use time release ferts with pot. You want to be able to change the level of nitrogen, in particular, over the plant's life. Also, since you are clearly new, you need to understand that fertilizer is NOT FOOD. It's more like vitamins. Light is food. If you supply more ferts than the plant can use due to available light, they will be toxic. Also, know that overwatering looks like a deficiency. This is because overwatering kills the root ends, and the plant struggles to obtain nutes and water from the soil. Pot roots in particular like being on the edge of dry.

GNick55 said:
i know wood chips aren’t particularly good to have in your soil, what kind is that?

in the 2-3 photos is that’s something on the leaf that if you say wet your finger tip and wipe it will it come off gently? like a mold?

SPARECHANGE · May 15, 2020

nick... ph spotting?

yeah, these guys are tellin ya- gotta let that soil dry out. learn the weight of the "pot", watered n dry...
like they all said, they don't need anything they didn't come with, at this stage. ph we measure, from collected, 20% runoff... not what we add... and ph swings n splashing/sunburned "water" magnifying glass spots, can all do this.
plantz are designed, like our own anatomy, to cannibalize themselves of mobile nutes... as we metabolize fat... they can take n redistribute, causing what we see as "deficiencies"... at this early stage, we don't chase anomalies, typically.
and the comment about time released poop n such- was nice to see.
the folks, out today, are walking talking chapters of books. really great crowd, this fine morning.

SPARECHANGE · May 15, 2020

u guys- i don't have soil-
did u mention wood chips
over moisture n possibly mould potential? just so i know- what's the intel behind wood chips?

SPARECHANGE · May 15, 2020

i thought it was Saturday

we work

on Fridays

don't we

i gotta continue my concrete fingerprinting

at Larry the roofer's

almost got my technique for ruining slabs, down pat

GNick55 · May 15, 2020

SPARECHANGE said:
i thought it was Saturday

we work

on Fridays

don't we

i gotta continue my concrete fingerprinting

at Larry the roofer's

almost got my technique for ruining slabs, down pat

SPARECHANGE said:
u guys- i don't have soil-
did u mention wood chips
over moisture n possibly mould potential? just so i know- what's the intel behind wood chips?

well i’m not sure if it’s totally bad, but who knows where they come from, they can get in the way of growing roots . etc,
i just don’t like the idea of them mixed in, i usually break up my nutrimix hp by hand and pick out the chips.

growsince79 · May 15, 2020

GNick55 said:
well i’m not sure if it’s totally bad, but who knows where they come from, they can get in the way of growing roots . etc,
i just don’t like the idea of them mixed in, i usually break up my nutrimix hp by hand and pick out the chips.

Wood chips mixed with N make compost. Woodchips in the garden can deplete the N. Saw that on a compost 101 article.

Jimster · May 15, 2020

Adding time release nutes is a tricky topic. I add them every grow, but my regular feeding are spaced about 2 weeks apart. This allows the regular feeding nutes to get used up and avoid excess salts and stuff, but I don't use much of the timed release stuff... just enough to get the plants thru to the next major feeding. It is very easy to over-feed plants by doing this, and some strains are a lot more sensitive to excess nutes than others. Time release nutes generally work by osmotic action... the water in the soil leaches out the fertilizer. Having a lot of water in your soil/medium can cause them to release more nutes than normal, complicating the feeding. Overwatering seems to be the reason for the pale and puffy appearance of the leaves, but the beginnings of overfeeding can be seen by the start of twisting leaves.
As was mentioned earlier, plants don't need much nutrients until they really start to grow, and most folks think that you can't grow a good crop without dumping a ton of potions and powders on them. Some folks are able to pull it off, but I prefer using a lot less nutes than the makers recommend... they are in it for the cash. Using 2-3X what is needed results in 2-3X more $$$. Look around at the healthy weeds and stuff all around you... who is feeding them constantly? A little help is great, nute wise, but stuffing more nutes into the soil doesn't make things any better for the plant beyond a certain level.

GNick55 · May 15, 2020

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growsince79 said:
Wood chips mixed with N make compost. Woodchips in the garden can deplete the N. Saw that on a compost 101 article.

i think it only affects the nitrogen when the wood chips are fresh.,

Lemonsdopegrow · May 21, 2020

SPARECHANGE said:
u guys- i don't have soil-
did u mention wood chips
over moisture n possibly mould potential? just so i know- what's the intel behind wood chips?

The wood chips were just in the composer got

Lemonsdopegrow · May 21, 2020

Jimster said:
Adding time release nutes is a tricky topic. I add them every grow, but my regular feeding are spaced about 2 weeks apart. This allows the regular feeding nutes to get used up and avoid excess salts and stuff, but I don't use much of the timed release stuff... just enough to get the plants thru to the next major feeding. It is very easy to over-feed plants by doing this, and some strains are a lot more sensitive to excess nutes than others. Time release nutes generally work by osmotic action... the water in the soil leaches out the fertilizer. Having a lot of water in your soil/medium can cause them to release more nutes than normal, complicating the feeding. Overwatering seems to be the reason for the pale and puffy appearance of the leaves, but the beginnings of overfeeding can be seen by the start of twisting leaves.
As was mentioned earlier, plants don't need much nutrients until they really start to grow, and most folks think that you can't grow a good crop without dumping a ton of potions and powders on them. Some folks are able to pull it off, but I prefer using a lot less nutes than the makers recommend... they are in it for the cash. Using 2-3X what is needed results in 2-3X more $$$. Look around at the healthy weeds and stuff all around you... who is feeding them constantly? A little help is great, nute wise, but stuffing more nutes into the soil doesn't make things any better for the plant beyond a certain level.

I don’t use nutes in the water I just use the time release fertilizer

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