Sativied
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Does anyone have any of worthwhile info on this or links to scientific studies or such.
First link is bunk, biased and no links to the lab, the 2nd is an editorial style piece, but seems like it has solid links and good info, haven't perused through it fully nor the other links. Indeed the greatest concern and original move towards organics was due to pesticide, etc use.Here is a comparison of blueberries.
Tons of synthetic fungicides pesticides.
Pesticides in conventional grown food carry over to humans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/the-organic-effect_n_7244000.html
Synthetic nutrients produce fruits and vegetables that only contain 1/2 to 2/3rds the nutrients of an organicly grown fruit or vegetable.
That says alot.
@leadsled first off I never said plants have guts, I think we all know that!! u need to read it again stoner!lol, second I question that study, it says they took berries from there production line that were most likely fresh! and then tested them against processed frozen berries!, sorry bud that is not a fair study, there just trying to make there product look better then it really is, All fruit and veggies lose nutrition after being processed and frozen, if there going to test them they all should be freshly picked and then tested to get a true comparison of both, like I said before it matters whats in the root zone AKA soil AKA dirt or rockwool or what ever u choose to grow in, third what I noticed and learned most about hydroponic growing is the lack of minerals the plants get, from the soil less medium we grow in to the RO water that has been stripped of most of everything it had, minerals are the second most important part to maintaining good health, But like said in my first post it dose not matter what you feed your plant if your soil/medium dose not contain the proper bacteria it will not be able to uptake what it needs PERIOD!![/QUOTE
Read again! I never quoted or tagged you.
I know you did not make the stomach comment.
Was general statement to try and help people get there head around the concept of the how the microbes process the nutrition and make it available to plants in aform they need and what they need.
Yes, The study is not scientific, but was not to just show more than conventional vs organic. More to it than that. Some fruit lose nutrition faster than others. A high brix crop will store longer without spoiling.
You got the part about the bacteria right. But it is more than bacteria that is needed.
Interesting about plant energy being expended at a higher rate, effectively wasted, as the plant works harder to convert synthetic nutrients. Is that what you are saying Leadsled?
What style of growing have you settled on? Sounds like you put some serious thought into it.
Good point. Thanks for sharing.Absolutely not true. It's all about proper nutrition, which can take place in organics or synthetics. If you don't believe me, take a brix meter to store bought veggies. I have done this hundreds of times, and it surprises me how often the organic fruits contain low levels of brix. It also surprises me how often synthetic fruits from Mexico can be high in brix. I am all organic, but to say you can't grow nutrient dense food with synthetics is 100% wrong, and easily provable.
@leadsled Thanks for dropping some knowledge. I love when somebody that actually knows what they are talking about comes into threads like this.
Welcome.
Thanks for the videos on this sight @leadsled, great info.
One more thing @leadsled.....Was the guy in the video one of the farmers at the plant sap seminar we attended in Nov?
@ Seamaiden: Great points! I'm with ya on the whole food diet instead of pills as a substitute. However, whether or not that whole food diet comes from organic as opposed to synthetic nutrients is important is what I would like to know. As my post immediately after the original stated, maybe plants don't care where their food came from, after all, fungi/bacteria are doing the same job as some scientist who breaks down different forms of nitrogen/chemical sources into a plant acceptable one. As the article points out(and I've read elsewhere) both ways supply equally healthy nutrition(assuming when grown correctly in the opposing systems). Maybe ask one of your RD friends about this specifically next time you see one, I'd be interested to hear their input.
Also I'm not sold on organic being soo much better for the environment than dwc. University study after study show that hydroponic(dwc) plants require significantly less food and water over the plants life, while producing many times the amount of yeild that comparable soil crops do. Furthermore hydroponics can be done anywhere in the world(practically), it is not always possible to grow the demanded amount of food outdoors in many geological areas due to many environmental reasons, leading to foreseeable shortages/price increases of food. If i'm not mistaken the Japanese are currently using hydroponics to their advantage for food crops, and plan to rely much more heavily on the technology in the future. Japan is just one example of a geographic disadvantage in obtaining food for a growing population. I love the idea of living sustainably through organic gardening, but I think @Mr. Belvedere said is right, that both ways are successful, and that is cool because I think there's a place for both, and that when done correctly in the end they both make one in the same product.
I'm absolutely with you that science will soon discover this very debate, and what it is that's so special about the soil web. Always good to have your input, thanks
I read something a while ago about 1% of electricity in the US being used for cannabis growing and while I think that's a good cause, all growers together do use an equivalent of many "hectares upon hectares". I still think it comes down to personal choice but environmental impact is often a big factor for choosing organic.I agree with @Sativied, comes down to personal choice in our application, we tend not to use hectares upon hectares eroding and degrading soil quality.
Like peat.Tons of organic methods(eg. Guano etc) are just as bad for the environment if not worse.
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