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When you break it really down pretty simple look at a organic grown plant,, vegged 4 - 5 weeks then look at a chem grown plant were growing weed here folks lol were trying to get the most yield possible and again Chem will always win in that field ..
2 plants same strain one grown organic one chem vegged same amount of time which plant do you think would win in yield , size , and health
Fair enough. Synth fertilizer commonly includes socalled petroleum-based fertilizers. That is a misnomer though ( ). And while a "40-pound bag contains the equivalent of 2.5 gallons of gasoline" that would last me a lifetime, saving me quite a few trips to a garden center or hydro store.Nobody has mentioned how we get chemical fertilizers. That alone should be enough for environmentally friendly people to choose organics. I would think, since popular belief seems to be oil is evil and all.
That would be mixing up "chemical" with "synthetic". Chemicals are naturally occurring as well, synthetics are man made though by a chemical process, in case of fertilizers to mimic naturally occurring chemicals..as well "Chemical" is man made while technically mineral salts are "Natural".
I apologize if that came off harsh. Im thorougly reading this thread trying to learn myself. Im fascinated by this and i really would like to know...PLEASE!!! No one be discouraged from this thread by any people who may be getting a sore bum over this topic. I truly only brought this up because I know the people at the Farm here interested in learning(more than anywhere else), however hard it may be at times. I'm definitely not trying to discourage anyone from growing organically. I am also concerned with creating the highest quality medicine, and just wanted to point out that a perfectly legitimate way of creating that medicine(synthetics) COULD BE getting unjustifiably bashed in general in the growing community/entire world right now, due to a lack of knowledge. Key word is could be, I''m asking everyone who has any knowledge on this subject to contribute, then we can all decide what's good info and what's bad info. Isn't that what we do on this site every day! Read the full thread, read all the links, there is a lot of learning going on here, at least I think so.
I never knocked any organic growers or the style itself, and certainly didn't intend for it to come off that way, as I am an organic grower myself(I started growing my medicine organically and was blown away by the product, only recently have I started dabbling in dwc). I am currently playing around and having a blast with my new hydro setup, but I also have some living soil that's about to be planted in for my next round. Would really love for @squiggly to drop in. I honestly didn't know there was a resident chemist here at the Farm. That's so kick ass. Would've definitely just asked him directly about this had I know he existed. I did quickly search the Farm(and google) before typing the op, couldn't find anything related, my bad.
Not really trying to prove one is better than the other, I just wanna know what is what. Like the thread title says, I only wanted to show that this debate is many shades of gray, not black and white. So please, post everything you know about organics and synthetics, pros and cons, and let the learning continue!
From my understanding "Organic" means carbon based period...not Natural....I would think growing natural woul be way differ then organic....as well "Chemical" is man made while technically mineral salts are "Natural"....
I wish I could find the Article that I read in which I believe Cal Poly did a study by which Hydroponics destroyed conventional as well as organic gardening when it came to brix as well as nutrition density....
I'll look for the Article and post it when I can
But from my understanding of said article...Hydroponically grown produce is always in a sterile enviroment so pests are not a concern and they can control the + - ion exchange the greatest because of the controlled and monitored enviroment upping one element and or lowering another based on the plants needs
That was one of the main reasons why I started doing organic in the first place. That, and xenohormones.Nobody has mentioned how we get chemical fertilizers. That alone should be enough for environmentally friendly people to choose organics. I would think, since popular belief seems to be oil is evil and all.
Fair enough. Synth fertilizer commonly includes socalled petroleum-based fertilizers. That is a misnomer though ( ). And while a "40-pound bag contains the equivalent of 2.5 gallons of gasoline" that would last me a lifetime, saving me quite a few trips to a garden center or hydro store.
I'll spare you all the math but the nutrients I use for one round in hydro (I grow organic atm) contain the equivalent of roughly 0.3% of a gallon of gasoline. The thing is of course that synth nutes are highly concentrated and require far less "oil" than transportation of all those organic goodies.
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