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Eledin · Sep 2, 2024

You already have calmag and iron with your base.
These nutes are used for hydro a lot so they assume like any good brand would that youre gonna use osmotized water so they add the minerals for you.
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Eledin · Sep 2, 2024

If you still think they need more you can always buy this from the same brand but it has mostly the same exact same composition besides the NPK. They even tell you that its good to use IF you dont use their base and your base doesnt have those micronutrients, but you do use their base which comes with those micronutrients.

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RootFarmer · Sep 2, 2024

Eledin said:
Maybe I missunderstood something but Epsom Salts dont have any iron, its magnessium and sulfur. I use them for making my homemade calmag with calcium carbonate and vinegar but the iron I add with a supplement.

Correct just mag suphate. I offered it as a possible alternative diagnosis. I've seen something very similar before and thought it was an iron deficiency. Attempts to correct with CalMag were ineffective. I assumed that the spotting was calcium deficiency, the intervinal lightening was Mg deficiency and yellowing of new growth was iron deficiency. It turned out to be sulfur, Mg, K deficiency. What I've learned is that iron deficiency can look a lot like Mg deficiency except it's on new growth and sulfur deficiency has more widespread yellowing. Even consistent over watering or silica deficiency can look similar. I could be completely wrong. Lol Just going by my current understanding.

Eledin · Sep 2, 2024

RootFarmer said:
Correct just mag suphate. I offered it as a possible alternative diagnosis. I've seen something very similar before and thought it was an iron deficiency. Attempts to correct with CalMag were ineffective. I assumed that the spotting was calcium deficiency, the intervinal lightening was Mg deficiency and yellowing of new growth was iron deficiency. It turned out to be sulfur, Mg, K deficiency. What I've learned is that iron deficiency can look a lot like Mg deficiency except it's on new growth and sulfur deficiency has more widespread yellowing. Even consistent over watering or silica deficiency can look similar. I could be completely wrong. Lol Just going by my current understanding.

Yeah many problems start looking similar and is not until they evolve that you know for sure. Unless you are the person that is growing the plant and you know what is going in of course.
Okay now I understand why you suggested Epsom Salts, I was a bit confused.
@mstrpkl I forgot if all of the stains were light or you found any that is not a light trick. Can you refresh my mind please? With that line you shouldnt have deficiencies and if you do it might be PH related or maybe they just want more food in general?

RootFarmer · Sep 2, 2024

A pH issue crossed my mind too. A signifacant pH drift could definitely cause that.

Had a helluva time recently with one plant. We got rain and thunderstorms for a couple days and, having the thinnest canopy, she got water logged for 3 days with temps in high 40s to high 60s along with the pH stuck at 5.4-5.5, so a double whammy to halt microbial activity to correct it. There seemed to be a nutrient lockout and/or imbalance in N and K that required some specialized feeding. I was also starting to fear potential root rot. A couple little signs led me to take aggressive action. I hit it with amylo, bti and trichoderma and worked on getting the pH up. She seems to be bouncing back but a bit stunted. On the up side, it made defoliating effortless because she was losing leaves like a mf. Lol

I guess my point is, we can't always tell at first with some issues and one minor thing can lead to any number of things that could potentially to a bigger potential problem. Waiting and watching to make a determination can be a little nerve wracking. Soil is pretty forgiving but it can take time to notice issues and see improvements.

mstrpkl · Sep 2, 2024

Eledin said:
Yeah many problems start looking similar and is not until they evolve that you know for sure. Unless you are the person that is growing the plant and you know what is going in of course.
Okay now I understand why you suggested Epsom Salts, I was a bit confused.
@mstrpkl I forgot if all of the stains were light or you found any that is not a light trick. Can you refresh my mind please? With that line you shouldnt have deficiencies and if you do it might be PH related or maybe they just want more food in general?

Yea dude definitely, all those weird reddish/blueish colorations are just the LED lights. I took a video to kinda show how concentrated the reds/blues are. Its so weird, i even noticed the white lights messing with me last night. Thought i saw a leaf covered in cloudy spots, but then i moved the leaf and it was the damn lights again lol

Right now my very best guess is that my plant is iron deficient, but @RootFarmer could also be right because i dont see any sulfur in any of my additives either. Its a really tough one to tell. But i my gut is telling me its iron. Only 1 way to really find out! Il make sure everyone knows whats goin on as soon as i find out lol tomorrow i finally have time to go to the local garden shop, then most likely next day or day after is feed/water day.

Woah look, another picture lol

Captspaulding · Sep 2, 2024

mstrpkl said:
Yea dude definitely, all those weird reddish/blueish colorations are just the LED lights. I took a video to kinda show how concentrated the reds/blues are. Its so weird, i even noticed the white lights messing with me last night. Thought i saw a leaf covered in cloudy spots, but then i moved the leaf and it was the damn lights again lol

Right now my very best guess is that my plant is iron deficient, but @RootFarmer could also be right because i dont see any sulfur in any of my additives either. Its a really tough one to tell. But i my gut is telling me its iron. Only 1 way to really find out! Il make sure everyone knows whats goin on as soon as i find out lol tomorrow i finally have time to go to the local garden shop, then most likely next day or day after is feed/water day.

Woah look, another picture lol

Bro, that nowhere near iron def.
That doesn’t show up unless you are in a really imbalanced medium, all the copper has been depleted ect.
Looks like it’s still hungry for some n is all.

Captspaulding · Sep 2, 2024

If you’re concerned about adding too much n when you’re flipping the flower, it looks like don’t worry about that because a lot of strains actually do want a small amount of nitrogen throughout the duration of flower I never stop giving my plants nitrogen the entire run so at the end of the day Plants will still grow vegetative even though they’re in flower it’s just certain strains It is slower than others you could always go ahead and use topsoil treatment of 2 inches or so spread all the way to the edge of the pot of worm castings to provide a slow feed of nitrogen or you can just add a little bit of your veg in with your bloom and let her eat,

RootFarmer · Sep 2, 2024

Wouldn't N deficiency chlorosis begin at the tip then progress toward the stem and affect older growth, not newer growth? It looks like the newer growth is showing the most deficiency in the pics.

Captspaulding · Sep 2, 2024

I think the lights are just bright
I bet If that plant was taken out of the tent and looked at under just normal ambient lights, you know a soft white lightbulb it’ll look completely fine. It’s just that sometimes newer growth on certain cultivars can be really freaking bright.

Captspaulding · Sep 2, 2024

RootFarmer said:
Wouldn't N deficiency chlorosis begin at the tip then progress toward the stem and affect older growth, not newer growth? It looks like the newer growth is showing the most deficiency in the pics.

I’m sure the first leaves that would die out would be from lower growth. You know, lack of airflow lack of light and lack n and slight mag from light brightness all contribute to that stuff sure but at the same time certain strains can show it at least fade from a lack of n and it’s not always at the bottom, but I get what you’re saying. But under. A less intense light I’m sure it’ll look way better.

mstrpkl · Sep 2, 2024

Captspaulding said:
I think the lights are just bright
I bet If that plant was taken out of the tent and looked at under just normal ambient lights, you know a soft white lightbulb it’ll look completely fine. It’s just that sometimes newer growth on certain cultivars can be really freaking bright.

Nah iv turned the lights off and looked with my phone flashlight, the lights arent the issue lol plus older pictures you can see dark green, then as time goes on you can see the new growth getting more and more light colored.

Im sure as hell not an expert, but everything iv read about the different deficiencies just makes me think even more its an iron deficiency. Heres a few reasons i think that so strongly.

1 im using distilled water
2 i was under the impression that my soil would bring the flower all the way through harvest, i was SO wrong lol so iron probably could have all been used up in the 7 week veg cycle i did
3 none of the additives iv purchased or given to the plant have any iron
4 the yellowing is ONLY on new growth, o was worried it was nitrogen deficiency before but after looking into it i think my plant has plenty of nitrogen, plus my additives all have small amounts of nitrogen so i probably would have seen a little improvement by now
Aaaand 5 the yellowing is happening to the veins in the new leaves as well, which is another sign of iron deficiency

Definitely appreciate your input though dude! And i do agree that this could just be the genetics of the plant growing reallt lightly colored flowers, but the yellowing of the veins in the leaves make me think somethings going on.

Just an update for everyone, all the symptoms of calcium deficiency have completely stopped showing up since i gave calmag most obvious statement in the world but thought id let everyone know lol

Captspaulding · Sep 2, 2024

This is not iron deficiency for sure though. A seven week veg cycle would have no bearing on any of this
I veg plants for months. In solo cups.
The yellowing here, is either
A , lights out put is too bright or it’s too close
B , a mag deficiency caused by the above
C ,Backed off veg nutes too soon still wants n
you are using sdistilled water, that hasn’t been buffered by cal mag every feed well
There’s your huckleberry.
Iron deficiency is crazy rare.
Your plant is far too healthy otherwise.

Been doing this a long time homie.
This is my 2 cents. Click on my profile of you think I’m full if the dung.

In the pic, messed up iron levels relative nitrogen levels. Starts getting nutty with the way they interact.
The iron deficiency here, causes the plant to put n into over drive seeking to fill the void from the lack of iron. and is now causing the plant to pull n like nuts.

Good luck.

Eledin · Sep 2, 2024

mstrpkl said:
Nah iv turned the lights off and looked with my phone flashlight, the lights arent the issue lol plus older pictures you can see dark green, then as time goes on you can see the new growth getting more and more light colored.

Im sure as hell not an expert, but everything iv read about the different deficiencies just makes me think even more its an iron deficiency. Heres a few reasons i think that so strongly.

1 im using distilled water
2 i was under the impression that my soil would bring the flower all the way through harvest, i was SO wrong lol so iron probably could have all been used up in the 7 week veg cycle i did
3 none of the additives iv purchased or given to the plant have any iron
4 the yellowing is ONLY on new growth, o was worried it was nitrogen deficiency before but after looking into it i think my plant has plenty of nitrogen, plus my additives all have small amounts of nitrogen so i probably would have seen a little improvement by now
Aaaand 5 the yellowing is happening to the veins in the new leaves as well, which is another sign of iron deficiency

Definitely appreciate your input though dude! And i do agree that this could just be the genetics of the plant growing reallt lightly colored flowers, but the yellowing of the veins in the leaves make me think somethings going on.

Just an update for everyone, all the symptoms of calcium deficiency have completely stopped showing up since i gave calmag most obvious statement in the world but thought id let everyone know lol

Your base has iron and all the minerals the plant needs I just posted the composition above and you liked the post
Thats because that line is used by many people who use distilled or osmotized water so they put the minerals that you would get from tap water.

Eledin · Sep 2, 2024

Trust the clown, he knows, I agree with all he said too.

Eledin · Sep 2, 2024

I neglected my small grow a little bit and the new growth was showing a little bit too pale. Might have been the strain but just in case I fed them some homemade calmag, the new growth became green as usual when it developed.

And it looked way worse with the lights off.
To some extent, is normal that the new growth is yellow. If its more yellow than it should I go for my calmag, no N, with sulfur.

Eledin · Sep 2, 2024

Im still feeding a fair bit of nitrogen thats why I dont add more with calmag, I use eggshells, vinegar and epsom salts. If it were late in flower I would add regular calmag with some N because you need it for the calcium to be properly absorved, but mine have plenty. Some even have a couple of tips down cause they had too much. I give extra N the first 3 weeks of flower then I go something similar to 2-5-5 because as the captain said they never stop using it. New bud growth needs N, but just not as much as when the plant is growing.

Eledin · Sep 2, 2024

I went to take a picture just now to show you the difference from that picture from 3 days ago to today. Look how the new growth is all green and good now.

Captspaulding · Sep 2, 2024

Eledin said:
I went to take a picture just now to show you the difference from that picture from 3 days ago to today. Look how the new growth is all green and good now.

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Badass canopy bro

mstrpkl · Sep 2, 2024

Eledin said:
Your base has iron and all the minerals the plant needs I just posted the composition above and you liked the post
Thats because that line is used by many people who use distilled or osmotized water so they put the minerals that you would get from tap water.

LOL sorry dude iv got a ridiculous amount of info to absorb and, being a noob, its hard to remember all of it lol especially when im reading half of this and replying at work usually hahaha

Captspaulding said:
This is not iron deficiency for sure though. A seven week veg cycle would have no bearing on any of this
I veg plants for months. In solo cups.
The yellowing here, is either
A , lights out put is too bright or it’s too close
B , a mag deficiency caused by the above
C ,Backed off veg nutes too soon still wants n
you are using sdistilled water, that hasn’t been buffered by cal mag every feed well
There’s your huckleberry.
Iron deficiency is crazy rare.
Your plant is far too healthy otherwise.

Been doing this a long time homie.
This is my 2 cents. Click on my profile of you think I’m full if the dung.

In the pic, messed up iron levels relative nitrogen levels. Starts getting nutty with the way they interact.
The iron deficiency here, causes the plant to put n into over drive seeking to fill the void from the lack of iron. and is now causing the plant to pull n like nuts.

Good luck.

Just to clarify, i DONT think youre full of shit and im not ignoring what youre saying lol just putting out the other info that im unsure if youre already aware of. Like i said, greatly appreciate the feedback!

My lights a 100W LED, the aerolight from vivosun specifically if you were curious, and i have it all the way at the top of the tent at 100%. How far do you usually keep your lights? Iv tested the lumens and, while it isnt a perfect system by any means, the tests didnt show crazy high. That was a while back, maybe i should recheck.

Sorry if i seem argumentative, thats not my intention. I just know that its hard to get the full idea of whats happening through a few pictures lol

Eledin said:
I neglected my small grow a little bit and the new growth was showing a little bit too pale. Might have been the strain but just in case I fed them some homemade calmag, the new growth became green as usual when it developed.
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And it looked way worse with the lights off.
To some extent, is normal that the new growth is yellow. If its more yellow than it should I go for my calmag, no N, with sulfur.

Wait so this slightly confused me lol no nitrogen then?

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