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Lazerus00 · Aug 8, 2015

Tnelz said:
Also if u want enzymes I'd go 2 or 3ways. I agree with spit but I'm now using a product called slf100. The owner sent me a ton of it. I'd gladly send u a couple of bottles. It's marketed as an enzyme but it's actually a couple different bacteria. It does all the things an enzyme does and then some. The third is sst. U can use any seed at any time and u have the cheapest but most effective enzymes available not to mention u made them ur self. Last if u are going to go with a regular enzyme why change from biocozyme? It is by far the best bang for ur buck bottled enzyme available. Just curious.

I am familiar with slf-100....firs,t most of the time I am just asking questions out of curiosity bc i am always thinking of stuff, not bc I am changing my products or setups every week...lol..I just see an ad or read something and am curious what real experienced growers such as you guys think about it...
okay so back to the pot for the ponytail palm...id rather not do terracotta bc it would be that much heavier considering the plant and roots without any pot prolly weigh 60 pounds. I thoght about doing a smartie but am not sure about using a fabric pot bc it will occacionaly move and thought maybe a an airpot would be easier...and i know the reg airpots come with bottoms but when you build a 145 outta 3 wall units it won't...at least thats what the airpot rep said...
oh and about slf-100...so my orignal question what just what product would you compare greenstones Utra-Zyme to....if you would compare it to slf-100 then its all good bc I already got some. I was asking bc since I got there big sample pack recently i figured since it didnt come with ultra-zyme maybe i'd get it bc I was gonna run 4 girls start to finish with greenstone to see how it does with my setup and ultra-zyme is on there feed chart along with what they sent me...

Max Frost · Aug 8, 2015

Well...I finally broke down and bought a pair of the Method Seven glasses! I absolutely LOVE them!! They really work too!! Here's a pic I got just by putting them up in front of my phone cam!

Wow...they REALLY do help you to be able to work better and spot probs earlier!! Not to mention that the UVC rays (that are naturally filtered by the atmosphere outdoors) are at very dangerous levels under intense HID/HPS lighting!! Gots to wear dat protection boyz!! Best, Max

Lazerus00 · Aug 8, 2015

SpitXFire said:
Am I missing something here @Lazerus00 ? why dont ya stick it in the ground? I got shitty native sandy as hell fl soil here, just a bit of ammendments and stuck palms, figs, citrus trees, etc straight into the ground after shaving down rootballs. Aint nothing like a big healthy native root system imo. And agree with all the above, if you want the cheapest enzyme thats packaged, concentration strength wise, itd be pool enzyme, but sst is actually cheaper nominally, and bottled enzymes often have other bacteria and what not, so it aint really 1 to 1, I suggested my option because its the least labor intensive, easiest to do if you dont have anything on hand..

bc it would die outside in the winters...for 20yrs its been on an indoor deck with a/c and heat and walls of windows for light...

SourDank · Aug 8, 2015

Max Frost said:
Well...I finally broke down and bought a pair of the Method Seven glasses! I absolutely LOVE them!! They really work too!! Here's a pic I got just by putting them up in front of my phone cam!

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Wow...they REALLY do help you to be able to work better and spot probs earlier!! Not to mention that the UVC rays (that are naturally filtered by the atmosphere outdoors) are at very dangerous levels under intense HID/HPS lighting!! Gots to wear dat protection boyz!! Best, Max

Only get one set of eyes brother, I broke my pair so I gotta get some new ones ASAP

420 lyfePpP · Aug 8, 2015

Lazerus00 said:
Nevermind...found a place....but now I'm curious...what is the greenstone product Zyme comparable to? Would Biocozyme be

str8smokn said:
Ok guys I have a question for all of you.
I have three GSC plants that are around 4-5weeks into flower that are hermies,I am flowering at night 7:00pm-7:00 am so if I move those outside and continue flowering will the time change stress them out?
I will just move them outside at 7:00 am in the morning and continue their light schedule until 7:00 at night and then just move in and out from 7:00 in the morning to 7:00 at night.
Should not confuse them since I do not interrupt the dark period ,is that correct?
I've always hear it's the dark period that's important,so if one day they get 24 hrs of light and then back to str8 12/12 it should be cool..
That would just be some extra bud I could hash with if it gets seeded, I have picked sac's off already but don't want to risk it.
Any input would help.
STR8

That sucks man! I had a friend who brought friends in last year ... I would be cautious. I imagine you would separate from the ladies.. hmm . Unless u had a spot that would be shaded more . ? Not much help eh. Good luck and positive vibes!

SpitXFire · Aug 8, 2015

Oh whoops lol @Lazerus00 sorry bro, totally forgot rule 1, what works for me might not work for you... Totally forgot youre up north, and our winters here are like the summers up there.. Sorry, carry on without me.

@tobh protip: if they're super stiff, and thick, I suggest needle nose pliers wrapped in duct tape. I use em and they snap, bend and train even the most resistant bitches. Squeeze until you feel the pressure let up, then a slight rolling, twisting, motion with slight pressure will get em crooked as a mothafuckin politician

Pimp T · Aug 8, 2015

Who can point me to a reputable haze cross without long flowering time and crazt stretch but still retains that hazy metallic smell and taste? What exactly does nl5 taste and smell like?

SpitXFire · Aug 8, 2015

The NL5 I used to run, was very pine hashy, it had a range of flavors from sweet citrus bubblegum, to deep hashy earth, selected mine out of multiple packs of old sensi stock along with Black Domina. I would suggest a full haze type cultivar if you want that electric metal, incensey taste. Had an opportunity to run to Miami Blacks, bungled that one hard as hell

Max Frost · Aug 8, 2015

SpitXFire said:
Oh whoops lol @Lazerus00 sorry bro, totally forgot rule 1, what works for me might not work for you... Totally forgot youre up north, and our winters here are like the summers up there.. Sorry, carry on without me.

@tobh protip: if they're super stiff, and thick, I suggest needle nose pliers wrapped in duct tape. I use em and they snap, bend and train even the most resistant bitches. Squeeze until you feel the pressure let up, then a slight rolling, twisting, motion with slight pressure will get em crooked as a mothafuckin politician

Seriously?!! Wow... it's all about feel, and clearly you can feel what you're doing...but I can't imagine doing it with anything other than my fingers! Not downing YOUR way for YOU...but it'd never work for me! I like to actually squeeze/twist/roll and feel the fibers. There's a place that feels like a bit of a gap on both sides. I feel til I find these, then give a gentle pinch and bend. I can actually feel and almost hear a little pop when I've done it correctly. I wouldn't be able to feel shit thru metal and tape!

Pimp T said:
Who can point me to a reputable haze cross without long flowering time and crazt stretch but still retains that hazy metallic smell and taste? What exactly does nl5 taste and smell like?

I have run ROC's bluhzBlHzBl x Romulan. It is said to have a very haze leaning pheno, but I haven't gotten it yet. It's some AMAZING smoke tho! I found 2 very DJ Short leaning Blueberry phenos. One is indy leaning and takes about 7-1/2 weeks. The sat pheno for me went to 73 days. Both mine are VERY blueberry smelling and tasting. Closest thing I've found yet to the old school bb! Only reason I mention it here is cuzwhile I was growing it I spoke to another grower who had gotten two of the haze leaning phenos. I;m not sure...but I think he took these to F2 and found ALL kind of really amazing phenos! I need to hit him back up to see how that ever worked out!!

I also know that Green Goo Genetics is working right now with a pure Super Silver Haze. Those are all I'd know to actually recommend tho. Good luck! I hope you find just what you're looking for!! Best, Max

SpitXFire · Aug 8, 2015

Oh no doubt @Max Frost I use my fingers when I can, especially on secondary branches, that gap is the sweetspot. I just have a tendency to overveg a ton, and have to go in wrangling 3' main stalks, when I got 5+ per plant, and 15 plants full of these, along with having to train the secondary branches, I like to use the pliers. I can supercrop all the secondaries by hand, but I got some big berthas that I repeatedly hit the same spot with the knuckling, so for those I like to bust out the pliers and go to town, once you get feel for it, the learning curve is about the same as by hand. takes me about 30 min a day every other day to supercrop all these, I do 80% by hand.

You'd be scare of my outdoor supercroppers lol. Channel locks, with gauze and tape, currently on the wall of fame, thankfully no more outdoors here

Pimp T · Aug 8, 2015

Where is green goo genes sold at? @Max Frost

SpitXFire · Aug 8, 2015

Oh and I only use the pliers to break the resistance of the stems, the actually twisting, bending motion is done by hand. Slight pop and relief of pressure, then go to town. I go in first with the pliers, hit everything I need to, then finish it all by hand. Oh and diggin those method 7's, I might need to grab a pair.. Super pricey, I just hunker down my straw hat real low and wear sunglasses, they seem worth it though

SourDank · Aug 8, 2015

Pimp T said:
Who can point me to a reputable haze cross without long flowering time and crazt stretch but still retains that hazy metallic smell and taste? What exactly does nl5 taste and smell like?

I think a good place to look would be @cannarado CO Flo x SSH, should keep most of the haze/Sativa traits but it shouldn't be bad flowering time wise.

jumpincactus · Aug 8, 2015

SpitXFire said:
@SeaF0ur oh so that's where ya been? Can't say I blame ya, view is B E A UTIFUL bro!

@jumpincactus is that hammer's work? Looks like some kill bro

Yes indeed it is.

jumpincactus · Aug 8, 2015

SourDank said:
You have a seriously sexual looking girl there, and only 30 days with that kind of frost?!

Excuse me while I go change my boxers...

Ya I hear you on that. Ya pic was yesterday and that was only day 30 since flip.They have 40 to go. Pretty sexy lookin for sure. Am amazed at the level of frost so early on. The breeder did some fine work with this cross.

giggles · Aug 9, 2015

@jumpincactus you should see the moondawg now!!! Holy shit she's going crazy!

Max Frost · Aug 9, 2015

SpitXFire said:
Oh no doubt @Max Frost I use my fingers when I can, especially on secondary branches, that gap is the sweetspot. I just have a tendency to overveg a ton, and have to go in wrangling 3' main stalks, when I got 5+ per plant, and 15 plants full of these, along with having to train the secondary branches, I like to use the pliers. I can supercrop all the secondaries by hand, but I got some big berthas that I repeatedly hit the same spot with the knuckling, so for those I like to bust out the pliers and go to town, once you get feel for it, the learning curve is about the same as by hand. takes me about 30 min a day every other day to supercrop all these, I do 80% by hand.

You'd be scare of my outdoor supercroppers lol. Channel locks, with gauze and tape, currently on the wall of fame, thankfully no more outdoors here

I feel your pain bro. I run about the same count as you mentioned, & I'll have to admit...allot of my secondaries go undone!! Lol...might just have to give that one a try! Thanks for the tip! Would you mind elaborating on your pinching please? At what points are you doing it? When do you stop? Thanks bro! Continued good fortune to ya!

Pimp T said:
Where is green goo genes sold at? @Max Frost

I'm really not sure. I've just been doing some testing for him & a couple of other breeders. I think he is going to be listed here on thc-bay very soon. You might pm logic. He could tell you exactly when the first drop here would be. Alternatively, you can pm the breeder directly (here also) @1973chemgrower. However...my guess is that Logic would have a better idea of dates and stuff tho.

SpitXFire said:
Oh and I only use the pliers to break the resistance of the stems, the actually twisting, bending motion is done by hand. Slight pop and relief of pressure, then go to town. I go in first with the pliers, hit everything I need to, then finish it all by hand. Oh and diggin those method 7's, I might need to grab a pair.. Super pricey, I just hunker down my straw hat real low and wear sunglasses, they seem worth it though

They ARE pricey! However...now that I've used them a couple of days, I really consider them an essential grow room tool. As our friend pointed out earlier...we only get the one pair of eyes & the HPS puts out some dangerous UVC rays that normal glasses or sunglasses do NOT block since our atmosphere filters it for us naturally from the big HPS in the sky!! It has already helped me in identifying a plant that was a bit chlorotic. I would have NEVER seen that under the HPS without them until mucho damage had been done! Boom...they JUST paid for themselves! You can also find cheaper knockoffs starting at about $15 that will probably give some degree of color correction. I wouldn't rely on them for protection tho! Best of luck! Max

Power OG · Aug 9, 2015

Max Frost said:
I feel your pain bro. I run about the same count as you mentioned, & I'll have to admit...allot of my secondaries go undone!! Lol...might just have to give that one a try! Thanks for the tip! Would you mind elaborating on your pinching please? At what points are you doing it? When do you stop? Thanks bro! Continued good fortune to ya!

I'm really not sure. I've just been doing some testing for him & a couple of other breeders. I think he is going to be listed here on thc-bay very soon. You might pm logic. He could tell you exactly when the first drop here would be. Alternatively, you can pm the breeder directly (here also) @1973chemgrower. However...my guess is that Logic would have a better idea of dates and stuff tho.

They ARE pricey! However...now that I've used them a couple of days, I really consider them an essential grow room tool. As our friend pointed out earlier...we only get the one pair of eyes & the HPS puts out some dangerous UVC rays that normal glasses or sunglasses do NOT block since our atmosphere filters it for us naturally from the big HPS in the sky!! It has already helped me in identifying a plant that was a bit chlorotic. I would have NEVER seen that under the HPS without them until mucho damage had been done! Boom...they JUST paid for themselves! You can also find cheaper knockoffs starting at about $15 that will probably give some degree of color correction. I wouldn't rely on them for protection tho! Best of luck! Max

I personally use Grow1 glasses and @Tnelz uses Apollo and i can promise they are a definite and work just as good M7's. M7's imo are way to expensive , but i also agree with Max they are a must have for any growerbut would check into Grow1 or Apollo, grow glasses.
Positive vibes

MGRox · Aug 9, 2015

Still need ta git me som o' dem goggles yet.

@Max Frost Yeah the liquid karma doesn't show many ppm's on the calculators (I.e. n,p,k,mg,s, etc), though yep; they do add ppms. (same with most any additive I guess along those lines). For the calculators' there's no miracle here. There are a few threads on the forum here discussing these calcs and how to use them. I agree they are handy to have around and I try to look at profiles for all mfg's and growers's runs.
I use the "Premixppm" (not saltmix) from angelfire; though also many use "hydro buddy". Either one of those programs work well and are fairly easy to get used to. The premixppm, you just input the %'s of elements in your mixes; then just set reservoir size and weights; finally it shows the ppms. (Note the "Total elements" {at the bottom column total] that was shown in the profile pics I posted is NOT ppms).

@str8smokn you should be fine switching the light schedule like that......sure you'll cause a bit of stress, but that shouldn't be too bad (I suppose you already mention hermies). If you are going to switch, maybe cut the last indoor (night schedule) time in half or something. That way they get a bit of darkness before swapping to the daytime OD schedule (or even a full dark day) I.E. run 7pm - 2am then lights out; next morning set outside @ 7am.

Guess I'll post some pics

One Headband 818 pheno @ 10weeks, fading nicely.

Kinda full here, but the main focused plant is a different pheno of the same 818 headband, but is at 6 weeks. This one is getting.......MIRACLE GROW based mix Woot!! (#MGrox)

Last is a week 4 (30 days) shot of my trusty Bullrider. An older strain, so it doesn't have the heft or structure of many new varieties, though still cannot find something hands down better. Also getting MIRACLE GROW based mix (#MGrox)

Toaster79 · Aug 9, 2015

I'm at the outdoor spot as I'm writing visiting my girl :)

Did a little supercropping and cleaning her up at the bottom:

Took some mazerial with me to preserve the genetics and flower some for myself

Keep it green everyone!

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