SpitXFire said:

Welcome back @suomynona and @way2green and wassup everybody hope yall are doing well, just chilling back on my bday puffing tons of ghost og my boy brought back from miami and having a few drinks, nothin crazy. You know ya love this plant when you choose to break your back for her needs all day instead on your bday

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suomynona said:

Thanks for the welcome back and happy birthday bro!

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For sure @SpitXFire .......thx bro....happy bday

I'm coming to socal in 2 weeks to pick up Chemdog 91 Chemdog D animal cookies kk straw cough and kk platinum cookies chhhheeaaa!

Power OG said:

asking for clones can get you band

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I was not aware of that.

A couple of the Elmers Glue x Fire Cookie females...




One of the Elmers Glue x Fire Cookie males....

First grow... happy but nervous! This is how my favorite room looks like now, got two more t8:s yesterday. Sprouts are starting to jump up :D when is it time to put on the first of my four 600w hps you guys think?

Lol . Really thought they were gunna make it un staked .

Not So lol . Started showing signs 5 days . Been running beneficial a light nutes and molasses . Thought it might be a strain thing but the one beside it's going that way to . Found these small airports a challenge plants don't seem to like hanging about in them , while waiting for other stuff . Good learning curve but . If you don't stay on the ball they show it quick . Can't really move the thing to give it a flush either . Dropping pollen ,lol had to vac around the tent take a shower as it was . Def don't need pollen everywhere . Ph is good , water nutes going in at 6.4 . Can't see signs of Nute burn or the pink stemming of Nute lock . Hands on heads .

Missed one they don't look to bad in natural light .

@SeaF0ur You bring up another good point with the relation to blood sugar. That component (hypothesis) of where I'm going with everything, will probably take some time and may not have an easy answer; but will probably be re-visited. Also, I'm glad to see that we are talking about the same "lingo" being used for stages, as that will play a role in all this.

@EyeC Ty, I'm glad your finding interest and hope others do too. I'm heading in a particular direction with all this stuff and I suppose it's based off experimentation already ran / running (excluding hypothesis). I did all the tests under 12/12 600w hps. Varying photoperiod isn't something I've played around with yet and it may be a while if I do; though I would have more interest in varying spectrum first probably.

@gardnguyahoy ty for the kind words and I'm glad your are finding interest also. Trying to "understand' things or research, philosophize and such; interests me for sure. I spent so many years without trying to research any of this; that I ended up spending a good deal of time looking into many areas when I finally did, lol. No amount of research can equate to good hands on experience though. I may know a bit of certain things here or there that I've learned, read and researched, but I definitely don't consider myself an expert; in experience nor knowledge.

Junk said:

So are you saying the plants susceptibility to N+ changes? Meaning the threshold is lowered because of the flowering cycle? Thus rendering it easier to burn, perhaps with the same amount of N it had before?

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Yes. Yes. Uh, Yes.

I want to mention to all, The statement Junk quoted (reduction in reductase relative to photopheriod); is at least documented / can be found and is not specific to bloom but photoperiod. Though it allows us to say for sure; that some amount of nitrate reducing capacity is lowered in bloom because of this. However, as mentioned, I don't feel it can totally explain why nitrate reducing capacity does not change within the first 3 weeks; while photoperiod (and thus reductase) has.
It is also of importance to note, that there seems do be a moderate to possibly large variation in the "change to the N+ threshold" when moving from veg/ early flower to peak flower; with what few strains I've been able to test. If there was no variation between strains, or very little; then I would have no issue connecting that totally to the change in reductase w/ photoperiod. Since the variation between strains (even genotypes) has proven notable; then there must be some other factor(s) at play. I can only presume this same wide variation would be present across all strains. Fortunately here and with this point; we do not "have" to know all the factors, just to have an awareness about this point as an "in general".

I would like to also introduce another point that is relevant as well. This point being, that, given a constant N / NPK, plants will still shorten their internode spacing; directly after the "early flowering" period (Inflourescence meristem). This particular component is probably the most obvious of all things to be mentioned, as we've all seen it happen.
It will be of value later to mention a few aspects of "why" this happens. When researching into plant growth characteristics, from the perspective of hormones; many papers focused on the hormonal response as a result of NPK vs considering a direct growth from NPK. For instance with Auxin, and stem elongation or internode spacing; they talked from the perspective that the auxin is the "cause" and any Nitrate used to illicit this, was effectively ancillary or happenstance. Of course they were not saying that nitrate was not a factor; just that the hormone is what effected the change.

So then back to a change in internode spacing at / after the transition from early flower to peak flower. From a hormonal standpoint; the plant eliminated all the gibberellins in the previous stage (early flower) as a bloom inhibitor. This leaves us primarily with Auxin and Cytokinin; which work together in ratios to determine apical or auxillary growth / bud growth. Since we already know / observe that the node spacing shortens after early flower and we know that auxin effects node spacing; it is pretty easy to surmise that the hormone "responsible" for altering this node spacing is cytokinin.
Or rather that the cytokinin to auxin ratio is increased during this period.

We should be able to Move forward, with 3 "points" so far to keep in mind:
-stages of flowering
-To simply note the perspective that there seems to be a Nitrate limiting factor, to greater or lesser degree and depending on strain; when moving from early to peak flower.
-That, when moving from early to peak flower, a consistent N will still result in a shortening of node spacing (i.e. stacking phase)

This is longer than I hoped, so I'll stop for now.

Ned Kelly said:

Lol . Really thought they were gunna make it un staked .

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lol, I think that EVERY SINGLE TIME! Never happens (which I guess is a good thing)

What plant is that? It's beautiful, & a beautiful grow of it I might add. Bravo brother.

#Tnelz what up man? Back on site my things were lost to access my 420lyfe PpP info so .. anyway I was sick and jus getting back to normal. Need to find a nute for the ladies . They aren't happy my lil faces tell storey. For real . . Any thoughts on a nute all in one would be great. But doubtful. Powder not a problem. Tried dutch nutrient formula a&b bloom ... even called the number for customers service and got hung up on . Once battery chargers, I'll take a pic and put up . Listen to the instructions and they said to put 2.5mls not noted 5mls. .. Sad man Killin my meds . Never had a problem with distilled water, . My meds were great . Now my plant not even 'weed' just a 'we' missing half . Good vibes ☺ And peace man .

So crazy how these 3 girls were all planted on the same day and have been fed the same amount/kind of food and in the same dirt/pot. One looks pretty normal, she has good structure, responded well to topping and just all in all a good plant. Then I got one that is staying super short but she is also thick as all hell! She was the last to tell me she was a girl even though with here structure I was doubting it could be a boy. I am thinking of taking a clone of her and just letting it grow out into a mother till im ready to use her bc her branching and structure are so freaking tight that I think given the right amount of time to veg that this one plant could be a real freaking BEAST!!! Lastly there is the one girl that if I was just guessing without seeing pre-flowers would guess it was a boy but NOPE! She is shooting out pistils but is so bare and naked looking! I will be surprised if she is able to hold more then a few grams...Just fascinating watching these plants grow and how they show me all their differences and needs....Lastly I got the 2 big girls! One of them with super tight flower sites and smelling like juicy fruit gum!! The other just has shit flower sites and if she doesn't change must when I harvest her it will be like hundreds of small lil buds everywhere!!

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So crazy how these 3 girls were all planted on the same day and have been fed the same amount/kind of food and in the same dirt/pot. One looks pretty normal, she has good structure, responded well to topping and just all in all a good plant. Then I got one that is staying super short but she is also thick as all hell! She was the last to tell me she was a girl even though with here structure I was doubting it could be a boy. I am thinking of taking a clone of her and just letting it grow out into a mother till im ready to use her bc her branching and structure are so freaking tight that I think given the right amount of time to veg that this one plant could be a real freaking BEAST!!! Lastly there is the one girl that if I was just guessing without seeing pre-flowers would guess it was a boy but NOPE! She is shooting out pistils but is so bare and naked looking! I will be surprised if she is able to hold more then a few grams...Just fascinating watching these plants grow and how they show me all their differences and needs....Lastly I got the 2 big girls! One of them with super tight flower sites and smelling like juicy fruit gum!! The other just has shit flower sites and if she doesn'tView attachment 534744 View attachment 534745 View attachment 534746 View attachment 534747 View attachment 534749 View attachment 534750 View attachment 534752 View attachment 534753 View attachment 534754 change must when I harvest her it will be like hundreds of small lil buds everywhere!!

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Wow dude, your area looks fucking beautiful brotha!

Got some nice plants goin on there.sounds like you got a lot of love for your ladies. IME if you love em, theyll love you back. Keep up the good work dude. Respect

Heres an update of my first crop gentlemen. Day 51. Getting close to harvest time and im getting pretty excited.

Junk said:

lol, I think that EVERY SINGLE TIME! Never happens (which I guess is a good thing)

What plant is that? It's beautiful, & a beautiful grow of it I might add. Bravo brother.

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Thanks bro . It's grave digger seeds . Wicked barbie .

Dabbin dman said:

#Tnelz what up man? Back on site my things were lost to access my 420lyfe PpP info so .. anyway I was sick and jus getting back to normal. Need to find a nute for the ladies . They aren't happy my lil faces tell storey. For real . . Any thoughts on a nute all in one would be great. But doubtful. Powder not a problem. Tried dutch nutrient formula a&b bloom ... even called the number for customers service and got hung up on . Once battery chargers, I'll take a pic and put up . Listen to the instructions and they said to put 2.5mls not noted 5mls. .. Sad man Killin my meds . Never had a problem with distilled water, . My meds were great . Now my plant not even 'weed' just a 'we' missing half . Good vibes ☺ And peace man .

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Get a sample of "nectar for the gods" best organic bottled nutrients imo, and its a very generous sample.

Extremely nice... guys ...ever body doin good these days...bout to flip on DB
cw...

Straight up go floranova man. I use both but all u need is the bloom. @7mls a gallon I the Lucas formula and works great. I do like to use the grow though. Haven't forgot about u either bro.

^^ @Tnelz speaks the truth. FNB is my shittttttt

If you got any questions about how it produces, look up a dude named gsizzle on IG or the mag... He kills it harder with the FNB 1 part than tons of dudes running 5+part regiments