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Jerry's a good dude.

Having read that, I'd have to look at a bit more to give a definitive answer, but heres what I gather...
First, we're comparing apples to basketballs... I can certainly see the point Shay Bocks is trying to make in the terms of agave nectar as a dietary substitute... You're certainly better off with a nice unbleached raw (non gmo beet) sugar than any of the processed alternatives... the comparison she makes to high fructose corn syrup is also somewhat valid although she forgets to make the point that 95% or so of all corn in existance is genetically altered... from a dietary standpoint, agave is not a super healthy alternative...

Liz Applegate, director of sports nutrition at the University of California, Davis, agrees. She says your body doesn’t know where the fructose or glucose comes from, be it fruit, agave, or high-fructose corn syrup; so if you eat too much of it, that's a problem.
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But doesnt that apply to just about everything? Eating too many carrots results in large amounts of carotene in your blood that can cause carotenemia, or a yellowish discoloration of the skin.

But we're talking soils... Agave nectar is a tried and true carb source for compost teas. Agave nectar contains saponins and fructans, it does have iron, potassium, calcium and magnesium, so it is quite similar to molasses in that respect. So for our purposes, its a source of sugars and carbohydrates. Sugars and carbohydrates help to feed the colonies of bacteria to keep them healthy, a byproduct of which is healthy plants.

Is it better or worse than molasses? couldnt tell ya for certain.

Seems like worse for your health if you're counting on it to replace sugar in the diet from what I'm reading
 
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Jerry's a good dude.

Having read that, I'd have to look at a bit more to give a definitive answer, but heres what I gather...
First, we're comparing apples to basketballs... I can certainly see the point Shay Bocks is trying to make in the terms of agave nectar as a dietary substitute... You're certainly better off with a nice unbleached raw (non gmo beet) sugar than any of the processed alternatives... the comparison she makes to high fructose corn syrup is also somewhat valid although she forgets to make the point that 95% or so of all corn in existance is genetically altered... from a dietary standpoint, agave is not a super healthy alternative...



But doesnt that apply to just about everything? Eating too many carrots results in large amounts of carotene in your blood that can cause carotenemia, or a yellowish discoloration of the skin.

But we're talking soils... Agave nectar is a tried and true carb source for compost teas. Agave nectar contains saponins and fructans, it does have iron, potassium, calcium and magnesium, so it is quite similar to molasses in that respect. So for our purposes, its a source of sugars and carbohydrates. Sugars and carbohydrates help to feed the colonies of bacteria to keep them healthy, a byproduct of which is healthy plants.

Is it better or worse than molasses? couldnt tell ya for certain.

Seems like worse for your health if you're counting on it to replace sugar in the diet from what I'm reading
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Always good to hear from you man. Hope all is well in your neck o da wood
 
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never under stood why i would want to feed my microbes sugar to eat if i want them to eat my organic inputs and break them down to more useable forms anybody got a explanation?
 
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Been thinking the same about that agave syrup. Bacteria doesn't really care or know what the source of the sugar and carbohydrates is. They're gonna brake them down eventually anyways. And I don't think they're gonna get diabetes or get fat that way either.
 
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Drop your light some. They are reaching for it and leaning toward the center of the light. What is that unit? Looks like those LEDs are way to focused. Are there secondary optics in front of those emitters?
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I think they are... VERY bright underneath... Vegetative regimen now flower... Ure right 79...
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I also saw some bad press concerning bat guano having high levels of heavy metals. Truth or fiction??. I dont know. I'm inclined to think that as cannabis is used in phytoremediation around toxic soil then cannabis uptakes and holds the heavy metals. Thus entering the tokers boby. Any validity to this thinking? or am I trippn

I'll try to locate the link
 
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never under stood why i would want to feed my microbes sugar to eat if i want them to eat my organic inputs and break them down to more useable forms anybody got a explanation?
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You feed those microbes in the tea you're brewing to bring up the population to the max before you dump them in your soil where they can get to work.
 
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@Toaster79 makes perfect sense for teas. but what about when people say they soil drench molasses though?
 
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I think they are... VERY bright underneath... Vegetative regimen now flower... Ure right 79...
Peace
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Just checked and that unit you're using is SK450 right?

They use 90° polycarbonate secondary optics. Thats why you have so little spread but higher penetration. Their claims are quiet a bit surrealistic if you ask me. No LED will piss on HPS at half the power. At least not yet.
 
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@Toaster79 makes perfect sense for teas. but what about when people say they soil drench molasses though?
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Feeding the soil instead of feeding the plant. Also molasses contains Fe, Ca and Mg.
 
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True dat...but HPS produces infrared spectrum, MH produces UV... IR produces flowers, UV produces resin(thc ,cbd, cbn ,cbv ) as according to genetics...
cw...
 
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True dat...but HPS produces infrared spectrum, MH produces UV... IR produces flowers, UV produces resin(thc ,cbd, cbn ,cbv ) as according to genetics...
cw...
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IR produces heat and cooks your plants, 620nm-660nm produces flowers in adition to other colour spectrums below. UV can up the resin production but will also make THC degrade faster.
 
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Feeding the soil instead of feeding the plant. Also molasses contains Fe, Ca and Mg.
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Good though, I use Sonne's #2 Calphonite volcanic ash, I stopped molasses when my medium started to ' boil' and tale tell leaves told me no more on that level... Stevia tea extract or Stevia tea hot brew...
cw...
 
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IR produces heat and cooks your plants, 620nm-660nm produces flowers in adition to other colour spectrums below. UV can up the resin production but will also make THC degrade faster.
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That's why I harvest earlier by a wk or more before...
cw...
 
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I've had folks bring HPS flowers...look good, but where's the ' effect'? I'm dealing with medical grade...peeps want goods (thc...)more than product...
cw...(trust me I know... DC)
 
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I also saw some bad press concerning bat guano having high levels of heavy metals. Truth or fiction??. I dont know. I'm inclined to think that as cannabis is used in phytoremediation around toxic soil then cannabis uptakes and holds the heavy metals. Thus entering the tokers boby. Any validity to this thinking? or am I trippn

I'll try to locate the link
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Here is the link. Scroll down to find the readings on bat guano.
 
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I've done guanos raw in room temp brew...quite a long time (1 + years) to get the mix to calm down...will be very active and stink ure joint out for that time...I did a Jamaican bat and Indonesia bat flower formula, took over a year, left the Indonesia particles in there as it is like almost dust, when watered in allows roots to have contact, to caress the roots as it were and produces fragrant, tasy flowers... To landscaper known as flowers not buds or nugs...
cw
 
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never under stood why i would want to feed my microbes sugar to eat if i want them to eat my organic inputs and break them down to more useable forms anybody got a explanation?
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First, it depends on if you're talking bacteria, actinomycetes, fungi, algae or protozoa... haha

http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange1/current/lectures/kling/microbes/microbes.html

Bacteria take the elements of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, phosphorus, and sulfur and arrange them into polymers in their own cells.

Protozoans are the most important predators on bacteria helping them to release those elements.

Actinomycetes are a type of bacteria, but they share some characteristics with fungi. They are known for decomposing more resistant organic materials such as chitin, a complex sugar found in the outer skeleton of insects. Although they are members of the Bacteria kingdom, many actinomycetes share characteristics with fungi, including shape and branching properties, spore formation and secondary metabolite production.

Fungi can absorb only small molecules such as sugars or peptides less than the size of amino acids. They also secrete enzymes that can break down cellulose into glucose.

Mycorrhizal fungi include those living on the surface of plants the added advantage to the plant is that the hyphae can secrete enzymes that break down organic molecules and make inorganic nutrients available. While the plants gain nutrients, the fungi gain carbohydrate food from the plant.

As far as the deeper carbohydrate interactions, check this link.

https://books.google.com/books?id=P...age&q=carbohydrates Soil microbiology&f=false
 
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I personally dont care for guano. I find its harvesting to be unnecessarily hard on the ecosystem, it does contain some potential pathogens, and you can source the same elemental inputs elsewhere much cheaper.

Oh, and many soil fungi eat pollution. (links)

Fungi can eat pollution right out of the soil

Fungi that eat lead

Petroleum-Eating Mushrooms To Decontaminate Our Most Polluted Sites

Hungry fungi chomp on radiation
 
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One of my old activators was:
Kombucha tea
Concentrace(sea water)
Stevia extract
Multi sea weed extract
Fulvic
Aloe juice

The bomb, haven't done in years but will do again...
cw...
 
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