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Thanks for looking. You might be right. I am at the coast is SoCal and it has been cool lately. Photo was taken just as lights went out. I have lights on 7pm to 7am with temps running in the high 60's low 70's with lights on and low to mid 60's when lights are out. Humidity has been 30's to 50's with mostly 40RH. I don't know about the root zone, I don't monitor this. But I am in a tent in a garage with pots sitting on floor with only one layer of tent between floor. Roots zone might be colder. How cold is too cold? Will 60's slow things down?What are your temps and RH levels at? Especially down in the root zone. They don't look overfed, they look cold.
Hi WWF, thanks. No purplish color but I have had some downward clawing, canoeing especially directly following transplant into Vermifire soil. I started seeds in Rapid Rooters and transplanted to 4" cups with Black Gold potting soil. The next step was 1 gal containers with Vermifire on bottom and Black gold on top. Final transplant was into straight Vermifire in 7 gal cloth pot. There was a little burn on a couple of young seedlings but nothing severe and they recovered well.They look pretty healthy. Is this picture during their night cycle?
IME a nitrogen toxicity usually makes dark dark purpleish green leaves and the new growth will downward claw.
Ah, I've done that before, and I can tell you unequivocally that running too-cool temps, and those are in that range, will net you results very similar to running too hot. Larfy buds, reduced yields, more problems. One great thing? NO SPIDER MITES! Seriously. But I'd get those girls warmed up. My favorite method is one my cheap ass has been using for *years*, I call it Electric Blanket Sandwich. Cheap twin bed-size electric blanket from the Walmart, either very carefully folded (you do NOT want pinched wires, that can lead to fire. That said, I have yet to see anything remotely like that happen and I use this method a *lot*, and not just for my plants) and then placed inside 1-2 plastic contractor bags, then laid under the growing area and something like a piece of corrugated plastic placed over the top. You can also just lay out the blanket without folding and lay some plastic over the top, but my own main goal is to keep it clean in case I ever want to use it for something like its intended purpose.Thanks for looking. You might be right. I am at the coast is SoCal and it has been cool lately. Photo was taken just as lights went out. I have lights on 7pm to 7am with temps running in the high 60's low 70's with lights on and low to mid 60's when lights are out. Humidity has been 30's to 50's with mostly 40RH. I don't know about the root zone, I don't monitor this. But I am in a tent in a garage with pots sitting on floor with only one layer of tent between floor. Roots zone might be colder. How cold is too cold? Will 60's slow things down?
The plants do look healthy overall but have a noticeable lack of vigor the last 24 hours.
Ah, I've done that before, and I can tell you unequivocally that running too-cool temps, and those are in that range, will net you results very similar to running too hot. Larfy buds, reduced yields, more problems. One great thing? NO SPIDER MITES! Seriously. But I'd get those girls warmed up. My favorite method is one my cheap ass has been using for *years*, I call it Electric Blanket Sandwich. Cheap twin bed-size electric blanket from the Walmart, either very carefully folded (you do NOT want pinched wires, that can lead to fire. That said, I have yet to see anything remotely like that happen and I use this method a *lot*, and not just for my plants) and then placed inside 1-2 plastic contractor bags, then laid under the growing area and something like a piece of corrugated plastic placed over the top. You can also just lay out the blanket without folding and lay some plastic over the top, but my own main goal is to keep it clean in case I ever want to use it for something like its intended purpose.
Doing it this way, a la heat mat but far less expensive and a bit more trouble to set up, means that the plant will be warmed gently from the roots on up since heat rises. Makes a WORLD of difference, IME.
Here I was thinking I was in the clear and home free from heat conditions over the summer. These cool temps are just as difficult to control. I like the tent set up but probably should frame up a room instead. I'm like you about power cost. I try to keep it down as much as I can. It's getting more and more expensive for electricity around here.Just get the roots warmed up, then reassess and see what happens. I can't bring myself to pay that much for heat mats when I can get the blanket for $30, I just can't, but if that's not too rich for your blood and the girls end up still needing additional heat, I say go for it. Part of the thing with the blankets is that they use very low wattage, and those power costs can really get ya (here in California at least) if you're not careful. In one room I had to add so much heat that I finally said fuck it and added another light, instead.
I'm lucky I don't have nearly the temp or RH swings that you guys do in Co. Most of the year I can get by without AC or heat except for a few weeks each summer and winter and even then it's nothing extreme. RH is usually 50-60% unless the Santa Ana's are blowing and RH drops into the 20's. A friendly growing climate for sure.I would LOVE to run at those temps; only an issue if the root zone is below 60 degrees in my experience, and that really just slows them down, no wilt. What's your watering schedule/technique? They look over-watered to me, which is watering too frequently, not putting too much in the pot...
Definitely a slight claw, but nothing that would concern me. I'd just be sure to limit N for a bit.
Well would you look at this. Less than 24 hours after getting them off the floor and they have completely turned around and are back on track. You're good girl! Thanks!Just get the roots warmed up, then reassess and see what happens. I can't bring myself to pay that much for heat mats when I can get the blanket for $30, I just can't, but if that's not too rich for your blood and the girls end up still needing additional heat, I say go for it. Part of the thing with the blankets is that they use very low wattage, and those power costs can really get ya (here in California at least) if you're not careful. In one room I had to add so much heat that I finally said fuck it and added another light, instead.
It's great to have someone with your experience to run things by. You saved me a lot of time trying to figure out what was wrong. It's cool but it's not cold. My first thought was something wrong with nutrients or bugs. I'll make sure I keep the ladies feet warm :)Glad we got ya sorted. It's just the perfect time of year for these kinds of threads, and like I said, I've done waaaayyy too much indoor growing in too-cool conditions. Not necessarily cold, but cool. All you've gotta do is keep their tootsies warm and all will be Golden.
Hi Seamaiden, The plants recovered well but now have nanners coming out of buds at 30 days after flip. I guess the cool temps stressed them. Any ideas about what to do with them now? Do I chop and start over? Do I keep going? I am a small grow so not losing too much but they are looking so good.Glad we got ya sorted. It's just the perfect time of year for these kinds of threads, and like I said, I've done waaaayyy too much indoor growing in too-cool conditions. Not necessarily cold, but cool. All you've gotta do is keep their tootsies warm and all will be Golden.
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