Too nute or not to nute. . .

EmeraldFarmer96 · May 19, 2020

I have been growing vegetables and indoor plants and wanted to give growing cannabis a try. I setup the tent I use for starting transplants to accommodate. I do not however have a hygrometer or barometer only a temp gauge. I last watered with cal mag at a ratio or 1 tsp per gallon of rain water one week ago. The day after I watered with cal mag I switched to 12/12 lighting to begin flower. I watered once in between with water only since the cal mag and today. I do not see any signs of nutrient deficiency and they are in they’re stretch period as I’ve come to understand. My only concern is should they be growing faster? I started training at 7 weeks old and was trying to vege as long as possible but only managed 3 weeks when I started noticing pistols developing. I do not know the strain, or if they’re auto flower? I also only have these small work lights to use for the whole grow. I use them to grow vegetables so I assumed they’d work. I know improved lighting can help yields but not in the budget. The lights I’m using from what I have read can be as close as you like as long as it’s not too hot for them.

threatco · May 19, 2020

Looks good to me. I don't see any signs of needing nutrients.

May want to cut or tie that leaf to not be touching the soil.

EmeraldFarmer96 · May 19, 2020

threatco said:
Looks good to me. I don't see any signs of needing nutrients.

May want to cut or tie that leaf to not be touching the soil.

Thank you, I try to keep them off the soil in fact when I trimmed them the last time I clipped a bunch of the lower vegetation to help put more energy toward the top and also keep them off the soil but didn’t want to trim too many to harm the plant. Do you believe I should try and clip some of the higher fan leaf growth that’s blocking the bud growth sites? To allow them to get maximum light?

threatco · May 19, 2020

EmeraldFarmer96 said:
Thank you, I try to keep them off the soil in fact when I trimmed them the last time I clipped a bunch of the lower vegetation to help put more energy toward the top and also keep them off the soil but didn’t want to trim too many to harm the plant. Do you believe I should try and clip some of the higher fan leaf growth that’s blocking the bud growth sites? To allow them to get maximum light?

There is some debate to that.

I would lean towards less cutting is better.

Lower budsites may be smaller as a result. But overall plant health, and colas should make up for that.

If time/space allows for it, you can always harvest in 2 parts. Tops and then rest.

Of the 2 options, I would rather cut off lower bud sites, rather then the leaves that block them. Focus on colas instead of larf buds if you plan on manicuring all of it and not doing extracts.

If the bud site is just barley covered, you can try folding and tucking leaves underneath them, as a compromise. But that's a lot of micromanaging.

EmeraldFarmer96 · May 19, 2020

threatco said:
There is some debate to that.

I would lean towards less cutting is better.

Lower budsites may be smaller as a result. But overall plant health, and colas should make up for that.

If time/space allows for it, you can always harvest in 2 parts. Tops and then rest.

Of the 2 options, I would rather cut off lower bud sites, rather then the leaves that block them. Focus on colas instead of larf buds if you plan on manicuring all of it and not doing extracts.

If the bud site is just barley covered, you can try folding and tucking leaves underneath them, as a compromise. But that's a lot of micromanaging.
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threatco said:

There is some debate to that.

I would lean towards less cutting is better.

Lower budsites may be smaller as a result. But overall plant health, and colas should make up for that.

If time/space allows for it, you can always harvest in 2 parts. Tops and then rest.

Of the 2 options, I would rather cut off lower bud sites, rather then the leaves that block them. Focus on colas instead of larf buds if you plan on manicuring all of it and not doing extracts.

If the bud site is just barley covered, you can try folding and tucking leaves underneath them, as a compromise. But that's a lot of micromanaging.

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Yeah tucking the leaves would be a lot of time invested for sure, I will take that advice and let the leaves be. I FIM’d one and let the other go except for some training. I figured if I was going to try it I may as well as see what the same growing conditions and different pruning methods would result in.

EmeraldFarmer96 · May 19, 2020

One more thing I am on the fence about is a scrog screen. I understand the concept of providing resistance to the plant to make it grow through it and also provide support. It’s not absolutely necessary I guess but am I missing any other benefits of using this method?

threatco · May 19, 2020

EmeraldFarmer96 said:
One more thing I am on the fence about is a scrog screen. I understand the concept of providing resistance to the plant to make it grow through it and also provide support. It’s not absolutely necessary I guess but am I missing any other benefits of using this method?

Scrog screens are pretty handy. Once they start getting taller/stretching it makes sense to use one.

I admit how I use one in practice was different from how I envisioned it.

It's not so much weaving in and out. It's more just taking the tall ones and moving them to a farther away square to even the canopy. And generally spreading out the branches so they are not all bunched in one square. Doing this generally leads to the plant being trained to spread into a full canopy. But at first, it just feels like pulling sticks through squares to spread them out and organize them.

I usually take the scrog net out early in flower once the main stretch is done and the canopy is essentially established for the rest of the grow.

Some may use them for this later part for the 2ndary purpose of supporting the weight of fat buds on skinny stems. But my genetics stays standing on their own so no point.

cemchris · May 19, 2020

EmeraldFarmer96 said:
One more thing I am on the fence about is a scrog screen. I understand the concept of providing resistance to the plant to make it grow through it and also provide support. It’s not absolutely necessary I guess but am I missing any other benefits of using this method?

Support for the plant so they dont fall over late in flower. Makes harvest 10x easier since all you have to do is cut the screen out. Some people chop the plant and screen together and hang it vert to dry.

I don't use it to weave branches. Also to spread them out a little. Scrogging takes vegging the plants once they are in the screen or it will kill your yield. I just use it for support and usually use 2-3 per table. I don't feel like almost poking my eyes out again with stakes.

EmeraldFarmer96 · May 19, 2020

threatco said:
Scrog screens are pretty handy. Once they start getting taller/stretching it makes sense to use one.

I admit how I use one in practice was different from how I envisioned it.

It's not so much weaving in and out. It's more just taking the tall ones and moving them to a farther away square to even the canopy. And generally spreading out the branches so they are not all bunched in one square. Doing this generally leads to the plant being trained to spread into a full canopy. But at first, it just feels like pulling sticks through squares to spread them out and organize them.

I usually take the scrog net out early in flower once the main stretch is done and the canopy is essentially established for the rest of the grow.

Some may use them for this later part for the 2ndary purpose of supporting the weight of fat buds on skinny stems. But my genetics stays standing on their own so no point.

Thanks for the great info! I will most likely install one next week and hopefully it works out!

threatco · May 19, 2020

I use something wide and stretchy like this. It is pretty easy to remove it from the plants once they are done stretching. The soft nylon is not too rough rubbing against the plant. TBH I've never tried to use anything else so maybe there are benefits to other styles.

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