trichoderma qs

rootsnshoots · Jan 4, 2012

I have just started brewing my own areated compost teas and am new to organic soil growing. I was wondering if anyone has ever or heard of someone culturing their own trichoderma and A. Brewing it in their tea. Or B. Growing it on a small piece of coco choir and placing it at the bottom of the root zone during transplants. I have experience with tissue culture and have grown edible mushrooms giving me the knowledge and equipment to isolate and grow fungi, sterile work yadi ya..

Whippleschnitz · Jan 7, 2012

If you are familiar with sterile lab procedures I suppose you could try it. To my mind it would be cheaper and a lot less hassle to leave it to the big boys and just buy the soil innoculants. Or better yet just toss a handful of established soil to innoculate the new pot.

rootsnshoots · Jan 7, 2012

No man these "sterile lab procedures" are fucking easy. Anyone can do this!

waayne · Jan 7, 2012

rootsnshoots most of the credible research I've read seems to come to the conclusion
that trichoderma is best added to the soil not the tea.....

I would be interested in seeing your results culturing trichoderma on a piece of coco and using that to innoculate your soil....

Are you brewing fungal dominant or bacterial dominant ACT?

Nutts · Jan 11, 2012

Oh man this is an awesome thread, I will follow this..I'm also very interested in this considering the price I paid for great white.

rootsnshoots · Jan 11, 2012

Waayne. Thanks for the reply. I think I am actually going to grow my crop in coco next time but I have some trich growing right now (in coco). Getting very excited for this experiment! I am actually growing it in a big tub and will probably just mix it up and plant one plant in it to see how it goes? I am currently just making tea out of worm castings and some innoculants. ( rooters mychorriza, Oregonism) so I'm not really sure? I would assume the castings would make it bac dominated? I just started my own compost bin and a vermipost bin.

rootsnshoots · Jan 11, 2012

Nutts. Haha! Anyways... Thanks for the encouragement! Yes I agree that stuff is soo expensive. I have bought tarantula/pirranha sp? And was like man this shits pricey. I will say though it would be expensive to get set up for growing trich. Just with equipment cost. Pressure cooker, flow hood! I just happen to already have this stuff.

rootsnshoots · Jan 15, 2012

All right yall. I couldn't figure out how to upload my pics directly to this thread. But I did upload them to my profile! Check them out! I only innoculated two plants. Now we wait...

rootsnshoots · Jan 16, 2012

Check out my gallery guys got some of that fungi planted

rootsnshoots · Jan 16, 2012

So I only did two of my plants just to make sure it doesn't kill them. Haha. I am growing from seed this run and got more males than I wished for so I don't want to get crazy with the trich just yet. Now that I have some trich though I am putting some more tubs together so I will have plenty to do a side by side study. Thanks to those who are following. I appreciate any input/advice/criticism/comments:)

purple platypus · Jan 20, 2012

good experiment. Im actually in the proccess of making isolates of a few bennies myself. But not any trich that shit is pretty dangerous when its allowed to sporulate like you have done. I hope your careful!

Keep in mind very little trich is needed to be benefical. If your going to mix your spawn in your substrate it wont take much. you shouldnt have any green stuff visible. trich is very aggressive and will take over everything very quickly if allowed.

I make two diff types of "teas" normal ACTs and beneficial inoculate teas. My benei teas are basically the same principal as liquid culture for edibles. (except not sterile)
I start by placing a small water pump in a 5 gal bucket for water circulation. I do NOT use an airstone you want less oxygen for this. Then I simply add 4 gal of distilled water, 3 scoops of greatwhite or similar inoc., and 2T mol. or carbs. Allow to spawn for atleast 24hrs. I let it go around 36. once you start to see long strands of mycelium growing break it up by stirring. Then dose up your plants! I use 1/2 gal of inoc. per 5 gal of soil.

You should also check out the beneficials that capulator sells. He has a sub forum in the nutrient section. Ill be replacing the greatwhite with his stuff for sure!
Edit: Link to caps section. Good article on trich in thr too

purple platypus · Jan 20, 2012

rootsnshoots said:
Nutts. Haha! Anyways... Thanks for the encouragement! Yes I agree that stuff is soo expensive. I have bought tarantula/pirranha sp? And was like man this shits pricey. I will say though it would be expensive to get set up for growing trich. Just with equipment cost. Pressure cooker, flow hood! I just happen to already have this stuff.

You dont need any equipment to grow trichoderma! Def not a flow hood or cooker! Its everywhere! Its found naturally in almost any type of soil. Its also one of the most aggressive types of fungus their is. And will easily dominate any moist co2 rich invironment which is why you dont need to use sterile tech. If you want trich spores you can just put some moist soil in a ziplock and in a week you will have a green bag of lethal trich spores!

purple platypus · Jan 20, 2012

Just checked out your pics. I would break up your spawn and mix it in with the soil vs. placing a chunk in the bottom of the container. Just my opinion never tried this before. Awesome experiment! Glad to see someone else is interested in this stuff! Good luck PP

purple platypus · Jan 20, 2012

The work im doing consists more of mycelium growing beneficals vs. fungal. Im making a number of isolates to compare growth rates and to see if its possible for an isolate to be more benefical than a multispore inoculation.

Good vibes all around! PP

rootsnshoots · Jan 20, 2012

Pp. Awesome info! I really appreciate it. What kind of benies are you doing? Tecs involved? I agree I should have broke up the substrate and mixed it around. But well see. Haha. Your liquid culture is probably a great way to go. I know when making liq culture for mushies it makes a TON! of much faster growing innoc. (say vs grain to grain transfer) when you say trich is dangerous you mean to my health or plants health? Lol. I haven't been too careful! I mean I haven't been deliberately breathing the shit. Bit is it growing in my basement! I am basically using the mono tub tech to grow it.

rootsnshoots · Jan 20, 2012

Also one of my buddy's had about 5 tubs of mush mycelium that had triched out and I added them to my compost bin. My thinking is I will have and compost that is verrry fungi dominated and then I just started a worm bin for a bac dominated compost. I can then experiment with different kinds of teas. Bac or fungi dominated

purple platypus · Jan 20, 2012

Yes it can be very dangerous to your health if inhaled! It produces mycotoxins wich can cause all sorts of health problems. especially the quantity you are cultivating! Wear gloves and a hepa cert. mask! When handling it just be very gentle to cause as little to go airborn as possible.

I also wouldnt be doing this near any equipment used for mushroom. It can be very difficult to get rid of! Especially since it can survive pc'ing. Def not a contaminate you want around!

purple platypus · Jan 20, 2012

rootsnshoots said:
Also one of my buddy's had about 5 tubs of mush mycelium that had triched out and I added them to my compost bin. My thinking is I will have and compost that is verrry fungi dominated and then I just started a worm bin for a bac dominated compost. I can then experiment with different kinds of teas. Bac or fungi dominated

Sounds like you got the right idea! Actually adding triched out substrate to your compost bin sounds like the way to go. Thats a really good idea I bet it works well!

rootsnshoots · Jan 20, 2012

purple platypus said:
Sounds like you got the right idea! Actually adding triched out substrate to your compost bin sounds like the way to go. Thats a really good idea I bet it works well!

I thought it would be better like this too. Great idea on the multispore/ vs isolate! I was going to do the same with trich. That's why I said you need a cooker/flow hood. I will definitely be extra carefull working with it now. I guess the truth be I had some old tubs from a mushie grow and they triched that's where I got it. I have moved my last trich tub to another location. And have cleaned the shit outta my mushi room and am running hepa filters. So I will be ok there. Man its awesome to get in touch with someone like you with similar ideas and passion for bennies! What fungis are you isolating? Have you strayed a thread on your work?

purple platypus · Jan 20, 2012

^^^ok gotcha. I just dont think you can isolate fungus like trich cuz its contantly producing spores.

Im isolating by tranfering small sectors of mycelium from one petri dish to the next.

Dude you gotta check out Capulators benni section! Great info!

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