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If you were standing outdoors looking at the distant and reddening sky 250 million years ago as the Permian Mass Extinction was beginning, unless you were in the region that is known as Siberia you would have no idea that a tipping point had just been passed and soon 95% of all life on earth would be dead.

It's almost impossible to identify tipping points, except in retrospect.

For example, we have almost certainly already past the tipping point to an ice-free Arctic. And we are just now realizing it, even though that tipping point was probably passed a decade or more ago.

This is critically important because in the history of our planet there have been five times when more than half of all life on Earth died. They're referred to as "mass extinctions."

One - the one that killed the dinosaurs - was initiated by a meteorite striking the Earth.

The rest all appear to have been initiated by tectonic and volcanic activity.

In each case, however, what happened was that massive amounts of carbon-containing greenhouse gases - principally carbon dioxide, were released from beneath the Earth's crust and up into the atmosphere.

This provoked global warming intense enough to melt billions of tons of frozen methane on the oceans floors. That pulse of methane - an intense greenhouse gas - then brought the extinction to its full of intensity.

While in the past it took continental movement or an asteroid to break up the crust of the earth enough to release ancient stores of carbon into the atmosphere, we humans have been doing this very aggressively for the past 150 years by drilling and mining fossil fuels.

So the question:

Will several centuries of burning fossil fuels release enough carbon into the atmosphere to mimic the effects of past volcanic and asteroid activity and provoke a mass extinction?

Geologists who study mass extinctions are becoming concerned. As more and more research is coming out about the massive stores of methane in the Arctic and around continental shelves, climate scientists are beginning to take notice, too.

The fossil fuel companies are sitting on roughly 2 trillion tons of underground carbon. That, in and of itself, is enough to warm the earth by 5 or 6°C, and is an amount of carbon consistent with tipping points during past mass extinctions. There are an additional estimated 2 trillion tons of methane stored in the Arctic and probably 2 to 5 times that much around continental shelves all around the Earth.

If our burning fossil fuels warms the oceans enough that that methane melts and is quickly released into the atmosphere, the Earth will be in its sixth mass extinction. And make no mistake about it, the animals and plants that are most heavily hit by mass extinctions are those that are largest and at the top of the food chain.

That means us.

We must stop the carbon madness and move, worldwide, to renewable 21st century energy sources.

This is why we've produced a short documentary on this topic and a short e-book title "The Last Hours of Humanity: Warming the World to Extinction" that you can find at http://lasthours.org/ .

Please check it out and share it with as many friends as possible.

The future of humanity is at stake.

-Thom hartmann
 
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Somebody once said:

"Hard to imagine how many thousand of scientists support the phony bullshit Climate Change crap....
while 80,00 other scientists says it's complete bullshit."

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Sombody else once said:

"I like 'Project Steve'. It simply cites climatologists named 'Steve' (or variants like 'Stephen') who accepts the conclusion that there is an anthropogenic component to the climate change we're seeing.

The number of Steves in 'Project Steve' are already far larger than the number of scientists that reject the consensus."
 
http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
http://www.wunderground.com/resources/climate/928.asp
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
http://www.thescienceisstillsettled.com/
http://www.climatecentral.org/
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http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/10/10/study-media-sowed-doubt-in-coverage-of-un-clima/196387
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First it was Global warming, then they found that temperatures around the world were actually cooling off.....so they called it CLIMATE CHANGE. The fact of the matter is that we don't have enough history of climate to tell what the hell is going on.

DON"T GET ME WRONG!!! Man has decimated this planet. It's growing closer and closer to being uninhabitable. Within the last 5 years we have destroyed the ecology of the Gulf of Mexico and now the Pacific. If people think that this will not have a major impact on the rest of the planet.....they got another thing coming.
 
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geologic said:
If you were standing outdoors looking at the distant and reddening sky 250 million years ago as the Permian Mass Extinction was beginning, unless you were in the region that is known as Siberia you would have no idea that a tipping point had just been passed and soon 95% of all life on earth would be dead.

It's almost impossible to identify tipping points, except in retrospect.

For example, we have almost certainly already past the tipping point to an ice-free Arctic. And we are just now realizing it, even though that tipping point was probably passed a decade or more ago.

This is critically important because in the history of our planet there have been five times when more than half of all life on Earth died. They're referred to as "mass extinctions."

One - the one that killed the dinosaurs - was initiated by a meteorite striking the Earth.

The rest all appear to have been initiated by tectonic and volcanic activity.

In each case, however, what happened was that massive amounts of carbon-containing greenhouse gases - principally carbon dioxide, were released from beneath the Earth's crust and up into the atmosphere.

This provoked global warming intense enough to melt billions of tons of frozen methane on the oceans floors. That pulse of methane - an intense greenhouse gas - then brought the extinction to its full of intensity.

While in the past it took continental movement or an asteroid to break up the crust of the earth enough to release ancient stores of carbon into the atmosphere, we humans have been doing this very aggressively for the past 150 years by drilling and mining fossil fuels.

So the question:

Will several centuries of burning fossil fuels release enough carbon into the atmosphere to mimic the effects of past volcanic and asteroid activity and provoke a mass extinction?

Geologists who study mass extinctions are becoming concerned. As more and more research is coming out about the massive stores of methane in the Arctic and around continental shelves, climate scientists are beginning to take notice, too.

The fossil fuel companies are sitting on roughly 2 trillion tons of underground carbon. That, in and of itself, is enough to warm the earth by 5 or 6°C, and is an amount of carbon consistent with tipping points during past mass extinctions. There are an additional estimated 2 trillion tons of methane stored in the Arctic and probably 2 to 5 times that much around continental shelves all around the Earth.

If our burning fossil fuels warms the oceans enough that that methane melts and is quickly released into the atmosphere, the Earth will be in its sixth mass extinction. And make no mistake about it, the animals and plants that are most heavily hit by mass extinctions are those that are largest and at the top of the food chain.

That means us.

We must stop the carbon madness and move, worldwide, to renewable 21st century energy sources.

This is why we've produced a short documentary on this topic and a short e-book title "The Last Hours of Humanity: Warming the World to Extinction" that you can find at http://lasthours.org/ .

Please check it out and share it with as many friends as possible.

The future of humanity is at stake.

-Thom hartmann
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It's honestly sad that people still think global warming is a hoax and for the" earth is cooling off" crowd and the "ice plates actaully grew this year" crowd when the earth warms it creates global climate extremes, this means as it gets hotter it will also get colder, ice ages are triggerred by massive global heating that slowly melts away the ice which then changes climate currents and causes an ice age. The fact of the matter is massive projects are already under way to protect major cities from rising sea levels. The gov. isn't going to dump that kinda money into projects "on a suspicion that the earth might be impacted by pollution. I keep running into people who believe that the earth is polluted but that global warming is a hoax; thats like saying I see all the trash in the ocean but i don't think it hurts oceanic life.:banghead:
 
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You know what scares me? What scares me is when the major ocean currents, starting with the Antarctic deep ocean current (can't remember what it's called), shut down. Things are really going to change when that happens.
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First it was Global warming, then they found that temperatures around the world were actually cooling off.....so they called it CLIMATE CHANGE. The fact of the matter is that we don't have enough history of climate to tell what the hell is going on.

DON"T GET ME WRONG!!! Man has decimated this planet. It's growing closer and closer to being uninhabitable. Within the last 5 years we have destroyed the ecology of the Gulf of Mexico and now the Pacific. If people think that this will not have a major impact on the rest of the planet.....they got another thing coming.
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We are building that dataset. That fact of the matter is that literally 9 out of every 10 scientists you speak to today, whether they're in research, or are teaching, are going to say that the consensus *is* that climate change (extremes in weather is what's happening, and it wasn't predicted because the models weren't good enough, but that's the fantastic thing about science, it's malleable and open to change) is not only occurring, but it is anthropogenically induced, that is to say it is caused by mankind via industrial activity.

I know a young man who started out a mere reefkeeper, my husband and I 'met' him virtually when he was still in high school. He is now a published paleoclimatologist. He first comprised certain testing methods that would show particular isotope signatures in coral heads, and correlated that with established dating techniques. He chose corals because the lifetime of a colony can easily span several hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of years, IIRC. He's now received grant moneys to further establish data sets using the testing methods he devised, it's all incredibly ingenious, but then, this young man is in fact a genius. For a while we thought he was going to go into art school, because if you saw his artwork that would be the natural conclusion.

Permafrost is melting, and that's not a hoax. When Alaska burned, everyone should have been alerted that perhaps the pundits who have a vested interest in manipulating opinion are spewing more than a little bullshit. Al Gore didn't help things AT ALL, either.

If someone can watch this program and still deny that we've had any impact, then my opinion is that they're choosing to remain in an ignorant position. If your best shot is pulling quotes from a politician....? Or decrying science's validity and veracity, nothing I can say will help that person.
 
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A Fact is A Fact Jack... ^^^^ It doesn't matter "What People Believe" It matters "What People Do" People can make Simple Choices to Live Different / Make Better Decisions for the Environment but Seldom Ever Do So. Blowing "Hot Air" about "Something Must be Done" and Waiting for the Government to Mandate "Action" is the Biggest form of Procrastination I have Ever Encountered... A lot of times those that Make the Most Noise (Al Gore) Do the Least to Contribute to that of which they speak of. Why is it that Time after Time, People wait for Government to "Do it for Me" ???

Remember the "Nike" Slogan... Just Do It? Get a lot more Done that Way...
 
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More directly to "geologic" & the Title...

Warming The World To Extinction... Problem Solved.

As I have said in "Another Post" Planet Earth is very Resilient and Has the Ability to "Protect Itself" if "No One Else" is willing to do it... It will be here long after We are gone. We're (Human Race) just along for the ride, The Planet is Not Destroying Us, We are Destroying Our Selves (It's in our Nature) Catch Ya Later...
 
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Like I said previously......MAN has decimated this planet. I would estimate that we have less than 100 years on Earth before it is uninhabitable. I used to think that Gaia was strong enough to reverse things, or that she would shrug her shoulders when things got overbearing and kill off 90% of the population.

When I say that we don't have enough data to support "Climate Change", I'm not saying that it isn't happening. I'm just simply stating my opinion in the fact that earth is HOW OLD, and we have data that goes back how far????

I KNOW the industrial world has had a MAJOR impact on the earth.......and I'm NOT saying climate change isn't real......all I'm trying to say is that WE AS A SPECIES ARE ARROGANT. We THINK we know what's really going on.....when in reality we don't know shit. We are DUST IN THE WIND and as SoCAL 420 stated.....the Earth will be here spinning long after we have either left....or destroyed ourselves.


Seamaiden said:
You know what scares me? What scares me is when the major ocean currents, starting with the Antarctic deep ocean current (can't remember what it's called), shut down. Things are really going to change when that happens.


We are building that dataset. That fact of the matter is that literally 9 out of every 10 scientists you speak to today, whether they're in research, or are teaching, are going to say that the consensus *is* that climate change (extremes in weather is what's happening, and it wasn't predicted because the models weren't good enough, but that's the fantastic thing about science, it's malleable and open to change) is not only occurring, but it is anthropogenically induced, that is to say it is caused by mankind via industrial activity.

I know a young man who started out a mere reefkeeper, my husband and I 'met' him virtually when he was still in high school. He is now a published paleoclimatologist. He first comprised certain testing methods that would show particular isotope signatures in coral heads, and correlated that with established dating techniques. He chose corals because the lifetime of a colony can easily span several hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of years, IIRC. He's now received grant moneys to further establish data sets using the testing methods he devised, it's all incredibly ingenious, but then, this young man is in fact a genius. For a while we thought he was going to go into art school, because if you saw his artwork that would be the natural conclusion.

Permafrost is melting, and that's not a hoax. When Alaska burned, everyone should have been alerted that perhaps the pundits who have a vested interest in manipulating opinion are spewing more than a little bullshit. Al Gore didn't help things AT ALL, either.

If someone can watch this program and still deny that we've had any impact, then my opinion is that they're choosing to remain in an ignorant position. If your best shot is pulling quotes from a politician....? Or decrying science's validity and veracity, nothing I can say will help that person.
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why are the koch brothers paying repuglican teabags to keep the government shut down
or
Why Shutting Down U.S. Antarctic Research Will Have Global Repercussions

The continued paralysis of the U.S. government is being felt around the world, even at some of the most remote scientific outposts on the planet. As the partial shutdown extends into its second week, the National Science Foundation (NSF) has directed its scientists and its primary logistical contractor – Lockheed Martin – to wind down operations and initiate "caretaker" status...

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/why-shutting-down-u-s-antarctic-research-will-have-global-repercussions/

http://guardianlv.com/2013/10/antarctic-science-next-casualty-of-capitol-hill-standoff/
 
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anyone who denies that anthropogenic climate change is real and happening is either lyin to themselves, or simply lackin the intellectual abilities to grapple with the solid scientific evidence that supports this reality. i no longer bother to engage with climate deniers. if ya wanna lie to yerself, then so be it.

as for mass extinctions, with every mass extinction so far, biodiversity has bounced back more diverse than it was previously. where that is a vacant niche in nature, it will be colonized and diversification will occur. i don't say this to justify what's happenin, but factually speakin, climate change is unlikely to wipe out life on earth, simply reset things. in terms of geological time, human are but a blip on that scale.

at the end of the day, i feel climate change is more an issue for us that life as a whole. we may take down most of the current biodiversity that currently exists with us, which is a travesty, but i doubt we'll take down life. the sun goin supernova will do that. ;)

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Sea, did you catch what happened after the BP gulf spill? The gulf of mexico current stopped feeding back into the caribbean. The currents were turned back into themselves. That was a huge change of events and has likely contributed to climate change and will continue to.
 
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This is a really good thread :D
 
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I completely forgot to include the link in my first post! It's called Earth From Space, shown on PBS, 2hr show. My mind was BLOWN. Still have it on my DVR.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/earth-from-space.html
 
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Seamaiden said:
I completely forgot to include the link in my first post! It's called Earth From Space, shown on PBS, 2hr show. My mind was BLOWN. Still have it on my DVR.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/earth-from-space.html
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Just finished Earth from Space and my mind too is blown thanx for sharing Sea!
 
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thanks for the recommendation sea, gonna watch it later.

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At the end of the day most People are like Ostriches and just bury their heads in the Sand, First it was Global Warming, Climate Change..
I think that as long as Mankind continues to Breed and Consume Endlessly that we are pretty screwed!!

Don't laugh, but I've been reading Dan Brown's latest and greatest and even in this, the Subject of Over Population Extinction Threat is touched on..can't remember all that I read, but reading between the Lines...it's pretty Scary

Though not enough to get Governments to actually Act, other than discrediting Scientists like they did in the 70s/80s/90s...

It's almost as if "If we pretend it's not happening and Convince the Peoples it's nothing to Worry about, It will go away"

Or "Fuck It, won't happen in my/our lifetime" - but what about your Children and your Children's offspring....

Lot's of things could have been done - Look at China 1 child per family

Peace

Pretty interesting Post by the above peeps....

Also maybe an Interesting Link -
 
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