LocalGrowGuy
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Respectfully, you are completely off base.The states that have legalized marijuana have only legalized for one reason revenue. Those states don't give a shit about federal law. They have done this for one reason. to fill their own personal crooked political pockets from the kick backs there going to get from the meetings they had during the beginning process schmoozing with the big time growers that they kissed ass making the rules with. I've seen it here in Oregun. Take for instance the first rule of a legal grow here you had to be a Oregun resident for 2 years. That lasted about id say a month. Who got the pay off there. The first legal permit that was given was given to Bill Schonely long time Portland trail blazer broadcaster and local T.V. Star. who's ass did he grease. I know farmers here that are big time that can't even get on the list. Back to my point once more states legalize and the Feds realize oh shit these states are making good revenue then they'll point there little point heads into the states regulations and just take there cut rite off the top. Once politicians get involved your fucked.
Respectfully if they give a shit about federal law why did they break it? The people voted it in but the politicians let it become a initiative. As far as kickbacks, come on man were talking about politicians. I don't know how it is in your state as far as crooked politicians here in Oregun it's bad Google our little John kitzhaber and his crooked girlfriend. A cut off the top in the political world is a tax. most likely will be the tacktik the pointy head Feds will use on the states it's easy and clean. I hold no grudge against bigger pockets or corporations. The reason there screwing smaller operations is there not letting them in. Point, legalization on a federal level is another tax. Sorry I was also venting. I did not mean to give you a headache. Your not one of those conglomerate big wigs are ya. LolRespectfully, you are completely off base.
Specifically, your statement that 'states don't give a shit about federal law' is incorrect.
To use an example, when the legal drinking age was raised to 21, the feds tied state funding for roads and construction to increasing the age of consumption of alcohol. States that didn't comply and raise the drinking age to 21 missed out on federal funds for roads, something that states can't or couldn't afford. So yes, states do give a shit about federal law. You and your buddies might not care, but the letter agencies most definitely care.
Accusing people of getting kickbacks or paid under the table are ridiculous claims unless you can substantiate what you accuse, and you can't. I might be off, but you seem to hold a grudge against bigger corporations and deeper pockets. Of course money influences politics, why would marijuana legislation be different?
Back to my point once more states legalize and the Feds realize oh shit these states are making good revenue then they'll point there little point heads into the states regulations and just take there cut rite off the top. Once politicians get involved your fucked.
Can you further explain what you are trying to say here? How would the 'Feds' point their little heads into the state regulations and just take [their] cutoff the top? Would they cross out Colorado and put USA? I'm not familiar with feds taking cuts off the top, and I don't understand how that would happen, or even what that is.
How are policitians not involved already? Or are you talking federal politicians will get jealous of the greedy state politicians that are already making money screwing small time operations and they want their cut?
I am so confused what your point is or was I have a headache. Care to clarify?
It's all good, no headaches. I do not give credence to anecdotal evidence, but I would agree that politicians are corrupt and the system is broken. Unless I see evidence to the contrary, I do not believe there are pot businesses that are giving bribes/kickbacks/rebates to those who oversee the industry like the MMED. Their pockets are too deep and they have too much potential exposure to even risk it. Why engage in illegal practices when you already paid to play legally? I'm sure your mileage varies with your locale.Respectfully if they give a shit about federal law why did they break it? The people voted it in but the politicians let it become a initiative. As far as kickbacks, come on man were talking about politicians. I don't know how it is in your state as far as crooked politicians here in Oregun it's bad Google our little John kitzhaber and his crooked girlfriend. A cut off the top in the political world is a tax. most likely will be the tacktik the pointy head Feds will use on the states it's easy and clean. I hold no grudge against bigger pockets or corporations. The reason there screwing smaller operations is there not letting them in. Point, legalization on a federal level is another tax. Sorry I was also venting. I did not mean to give you a headache. Your not one of those conglomerate big wigs are ya. Lol
The way it's set up with MMRSA here in California it *must* go through a distributor, like most alcohol. Hopefully, one day, we might be able to treat it more like farm-to-fork, or like vintners do by doing wine tastings and selling directly from their cellars. That's what I'd like to see, instead of strictly via distributor.What do you guys think it will be like? I mean like straight farm to table terps farms sells out of terps store front? Or from farm to regulated distributor. Like terps farms gives it seas distribution where it may be processed tested or maybe packaged to be sold say a storefront like chicken scraps, blazes buds, or mendo max?
Here's what I got in mind for us...I just imagined what it would be like to be locked up with you, and it was a circus. LMAO!!
I hate to say it but times are changing. I really enjoy what I do and I hope I can always have a career in this industry. I have a feeling (not necessarily my own thought) but that pot is very similar to wine and that it's going to be very difficult for huge companies to take over the industry. Not saying certain people won't start to dominate the main stream market but that there will always be room for people who are good at their craft. I would love to hear everyone's opinion on where they think this industry is going to go in the next couple years.
What are you implying?I hope ur right man......
Phillip Morris bought 50k acres in the golden triangle. ....scary
I think you are right.I think the comparison to the alcohol industry is apt, but I (and we) have not been accurate about where in the product life cycle we are. The common case being made is that we are at the dawn of a golden Era similar to microbreweries. I have held that belief and made the argument. I no longer think that is right. We are more in the stages just after prohibition was repealed where regionally markets are developing with their unique aspects. We still need to through those developing, then the conglomerate stages similar to the 70s through 90s where the product becomes homogeneous. Then we can finally have a large enough market to support the craft mj markets that we hope for. I think we are going to see way way more offerings similar to leaves by snoop. He and wiz Khalifa can battle it out like bud, bud light, and miller.
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts he doesn't even smoke that shit..
For now don't be afraid of paper work, get politically involved, and mine the fuck out of this green gold while it's still a reality!
they wont postpone politics around crops. from a buying and selling viewpoint your advice works. not for growing and selling though.
I still fail to understand why so many folks operate under the assumption of soon-to-be-legalization, ignoring the fact that (I think) that marijuana won't be reclassified anytime soon and will remain illegal under federal law.Well let me tell you what I think. Cannabis prices are going to drop fast and drastically, this is starting in Colorado and will soon be the norm in most legal states. In California the price of outdoor units was 2500+ eight years ago and has dropped to an average of 1400 with all indications that the price will continue to drop and this is in a grey market with very little competition from the "big guys". Once legalization kicks in the true price of cannabis will start to prevail, most likely in the area of 100-500 per unit depending on quality and strain and that will eliminate most of the market place. Unfortunately, unlike alcohol great herb can be grown in very large batches and that will be problematic for everyone who considers themselves a craft grower. If you can find a way to be competitive in the low price range then it will be like most businesses. That's my two cents. For now don't be afraid of paper work, get politically involved, and mine the fuck out of this green gold while it's still a reality!
Well let's talk about legality: where were we as a country ten years ago in regards to rec and medical cannabis? Where are we today? What are the real costs of production?I still fail to understand why so many folks operate under the assumption of soon-to-be-legalization, ignoring the fact that (I think) that marijuana won't be reclassified anytime soon and will remain illegal under federal law.
It just seems like quite the stretch to act now as if it's legal. It's nice to talk about, but it's unrealistic and not nearly as simple when we are talking about such a large population that has no experience with 'legal' or quasi-legal weed.
I think there are growers out there who already have become efficient to the point that their break-even point is about $500 per unit, and the bottom of the market still keeps them in the game. I think that's the closest we will get to any type of 'true' cost. The cost is whatever the market is willing to pay. I know plenty of rec smokers who are perfectly happy spending a hundred bucks on a quarter or half when they can't get anything but brickweed and beasters wherever they may be.
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