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Great idea... When I try your idea or something similar I will cook all amendments and then add coco... The cooking process MAY kill off plenty natural microbeasties left after the rinse of ocean saltsHell yeah, 100% organic coco grow, I would like to see how coco stacks up against soil with organic amendments outdoors. I was thinking of doing an organic coco grow for this outdoor season coming up. Basically, I would make a super coco medium just like super soil, but without the 'soil'. I was thinking something like this.
For every 3 cu.ft. of coco, use:
2 cups blood meal
2 cup bone meal
2 cups kelp (powder)
10 cups worm castings
caps bennies (og bio war)
soft rock phosphate (not sure how much)
1 cup limestone (is limestone needed for coco??)
No perlite because I want to retain as much moisture as possible without drowning the roots. But if the medium drains too slow, then I would add 10-20% perlite max.
this sounds really dope. would love to see how it progresses super interested.It's been a couple of years, but when I fire it back up it's going to be Botanicare coco cut with rice hulls (about 30%-40%), amended with some rock dusts, worm castings (about 10%), and possibly peat, I'm not sure about the peat yet because I haven't worked with it much. I want to do a fully organic, qualified organic coir grow, but I haven't decided how I'll address that.
I would definitely add about 30% perlite to that mix lex. It wont do much for your drainage at that point, but it will really help keep the coco and organics from compacting
IMO it can't, at least, not the way I do things. OD my girls have all the room they need, and all the light the sun can possibly provide. Indoors, everything is limited.Hell yeah, 100% organic coco grow, I would like to see how coco stacks up against soil with organic amendments outdoors.
Again, I see that as a very expensive proposition, due to the cost of the coir.I was thinking of doing an organic coco grow for this outdoor season coming up. Basically, I would make a super coco medium just like super soil, but without the 'soil'. I was thinking something like this.
Extra Ca is definitely needed, and then some. I would be careful using limestone, though, because of the carbonates in it, and the Ca:Mg ratio (IIRC dolomite lime is 2:1, I find that for cannabis you really want that Ca to be higher in proportion to the Mg).For every 3 cu.ft. of coco, use:
2 cups blood meal
2 cup bone meal
2 cups kelp (powder)
10 cups worm castings
caps bennies (og bio war)
soft rock phosphate (not sure how much)
1 cup limestone (is limestone needed for coco??)
Coir doesn't need to be 'cut' with anything for drainage, I cut it with rice hulls for cost effectiveness.No perlite because I want to retain as much moisture as possible without drowning the roots. But if the medium drains too slow, then I would add 10-20% perlite max.
IMO drainage is not the real benefit of perlite/growstones/rice hulls: creating air pockets to accomodate better gas exchange is.
I'm using raised beds and would need pallets of coir or soil, so using anything bagged doesn't make sense in my context. For those, I buy bulk topsoil, 10yds at a time, and amend as I feel it's needed. That's what makes the coir cost prohibitive. Also, it seems to me there's no point when I don't have to pay for sunlight, but I do have to pay for electricity. Return On Investment, that's what it's all about.@Seamaiden- If coco produces faster growth rates then soil indoors with pot size, temps, RH, lights, ect. being the same, then why won't it do better outdoors when all the factors are the same?? I guess if I use the same organics for soil and coco it won't make a difference in growth rates because the organic nutrients take the same amount of time to breakdown in both mediums?? Maybe thats why coco outperforms soil indoors, because people use synthetic salts with coco which are absorbed faster.
Coco coir is not that much more then soil, it cost the same as FF Ocean Forest and Black Gold. If you go with Canna Coco then it will cost alot, but bricks cost just as much, if not less, then any good quality soil.
I'm using raised beds and would need pallets of coir or soil, so using anything bagged doesn't make sense in my context. For those, I buy bulk topsoil, 10yds at a time, and amend as I feel it's needed. That's what makes the coir cost prohibitive. Also, it seems to me there's no point when I don't have to pay for sunlight, but I do have to pay for electricity. Return On Investment, that's what it's all about.
I just mixed up a coco batch from a recipe I found from a guy called "karmas a bitch" and it goes like this: 6 tbs blood, bone, kelp meal
3 tbs guano and marine cuisine
1/2 cup line
1 package mycos
10 cups perlite
6 cups worm castings
Let rest for 5-7 days, stirring daily and it's ready to go after that..the folks I saw that ran this had good healthy lookin plants but I am going to try some teas with it to hopefully improve results.may try a hempy bucket on one and see if that works any differently..I fucked up massively and lost 4 Eskimo kush and 5 black domina x space queens from cannarado due to not rinsing my bricks enough..heart breaking shit for me as those are the first plants I've ever lost..fml but I rinsed again overkill style hoping I can find a way to love coco like the rest of the farmers that do
Great idea... When I try your idea or something similar I will cook all amendments and then add coco... The cooking process MAY kill off plenty natural microbeasties left after the rinse of ocean salts
I think that when folks talk about 'cooking' a soil they mean that they're giving it time for stuff to 'process.' That process, for me, by default is microbial--culturing and maintaining as many as possible throughout.I didn't know the cooking process could kill beneficials, I thought it would help them multiply, but they must be different. Thanks for the tip!! I'll make sure not to use coco until I'm ready for planting.
I think that when folks talk about 'cooking' a soil they mean that they're giving it time for stuff to 'process.' That process, for me, by default is microbial--culturing and maintaining as many as possible throughout.
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