What PAR are you cooking under ??

Growtime818 · Aug 23, 2021

Running the led 1750 gavitas

what Par are people running in flower ?

Have it set 950-1050 par mid flower (top of canopy) at 90% watt usage.

Ran the area at max with different strains previously.

running co2 at 1500-1600 ppm
what par are people running ?

Gelatto 33 day 32

Dirtbag · Aug 23, 2021

Nice looking room. With Co2 like that, if temps and humidity and feeding is right, you should be able to push 1400-1500 ppfd at the canopy. There are some excellent videos by Dr Bruce Bugby regarding ppfd values and the variables related to it. I'll see if I can find the more recent one I watched that was pretty good.

Dirtbag · Aug 23, 2021

Obviously some of this is elementary stuff, but it gets very interesting as it goes on.

ImpulsiveGrower · Aug 23, 2021

In veg I push 1000 ppfd with co2 around 1000-1200ppm. Flower I’ll be going for higher like @Dirtbag is mentioning…

ComfortablyNumb · Aug 23, 2021

Dirtbag said:
Nice looking room. With Co2 like that, if temps and humidity and feeding is right, you should be able to push 1400-1500 ppfd at the canopy. There are some excellent videos by Dr Bruce Bugby regarding ppfd values and the variables related to it. I'll see if I can find the more recent one I watched that was pretty good.

Doc Bruce and Ed Rosenthal are da Men!

Dirtbag · Aug 23, 2021

I'm actually just diving into this subject myself, it's been overlooked by me for a long time, but I'm gonna play around with enriching Co2 and high ppfd this grow. The potential for yield increase is alluring since I've downsized the grow space.

ComfortablyNumb · Aug 23, 2021

Dr. Bruce Photobiology Simplified

Dr. Bruce PAR, PPFD

Dirtbag · Aug 23, 2021

I think one aspect that I overlooked that makes a lot of sense now is the drop in DLI when switching to 12/12. Explains why I used to get fert buildup in early flower if I vegged and flowered under 1kHPS. Stopped happening when I started ramping up light near flower.

Looking forward to using this info to now work up the light intensity greatly after transition to flower in addition to gas. Really curious to see what happens.

Growtime818 · Aug 23, 2021

Thanj

Dirtbag said:
I think one aspect that I overlooked that makes a lot of sense now is the drop in DLI when switching to 12/12. Explains why I used to get fert buildup in early flower if I vegged and flowered under 1kHPS. Stopped happening when I started ramping up light near flower.

Looking forward to using this info to now work up the light intensity greatly after transition to flower in addition to gas. Really curious to see what happens.

Thank you my man, I’m going to be tinkering with it. I’m a bit late as I’m day 34 but not that late. Will be cranking her up slowly this week.

jguit · Aug 25, 2021

Dirtbag said:
I think one aspect that I overlooked that makes a lot of sense now is the drop in DLI when switching to 12/12. Explains why I used to get fert buildup in early flower if I vegged and flowered under 1kHPS. Stopped happening when I started ramping up light near flower.

Looking forward to using this info to now work up the light intensity greatly after transition to flower in addition to gas. Really curious to see what happens.

I'm trying to digest this. Are you saying the drop in DLI at the transition from veg to flower causes a salt buildup because the plant is taking up less nutrients during this time?

ComfortablyNumb · Aug 25, 2021

jguit said:
I'm trying to digest this. Are you saying the drop in DLI at the transition from veg to flower causes a salt buildup because the plant is taking up less nutrients during this time?

That is exactly what he is saying. Because the plant has less light, it does not need as much of everything else.
When you watch Dr. Bruce, he tells you that the more light, the more of everything else you need. So when @Dirtbag changed to 12/12 he lost X amount of light but did not cut the nutes accordingly.

This is why you run veg at a lower light level so when you change to flower, you can up the light power to keep the plants needs stable.

Dirtbag · Aug 25, 2021

ComfortablyNumb said:
That is exactly what he is saying. Because the plant has less light, it does not need as much of everything else.
When you watch Dr. Bruce, he tells you that the more light, the more of everything else you need. So when @Dirtbag changed to 12/12 he lost X amount of light but did not cut the nutes accordingly.

This is why you run veg at a lower light level so when you change to flower, you can up the light power to keep the plants needs stable.

Bingpot. Thanks, couldn't have said it better.

I will elaborate to help people understand it because It confused me at first too. The way Bruce explains it, think of photons as marbles falling from the sky. The plants catch these marbes and use them along with nutrients and Co2 to produce energy for growth. The more marbles it catches, the more nutrients and co2 it needs, and vice versa.
If you think of the marbles falling at a constant rate it's obvious the plant will catch more marbles in 18hrs than it will in 12, which means it has less need for nutrients in a 24hr day if the light level stays the same.
By increasing the light intensity during flower to match, or at least come close to the number of photons collected during the veg cycle means the plant should continue using roughly the same concentration of nutrients if all other parameters stay the same.

Knowing the Daily Light Interval or DLI let's you know roughly how much food and carbon dioxide is required to balance the plants inputs for optimal growth. It's a more important variable to consider than I ever.. considered? Lol.

ComfortablyNumb · Aug 25, 2021

Dirtbag said:
Bingpot. Thanks, couldn't have said it better.

You're up early, or is it late for you?

Dirtbag · Aug 25, 2021

ComfortablyNumb said:
You're up early, or is it late for you?

Lol 12:30 in the afternoon here.

ComfortablyNumb · Aug 25, 2021

Dirtbag said:
Lol 12:30 in the afternoon here.

No idea why I was thinkin you're in the middle east or somewhere...

ComfortablyNumb · Aug 25, 2021

DLI is the number that tells you how much you need to feed, not the chart on the bottle.

Dirtbag · Aug 25, 2021

ComfortablyNumb said:
No idea why I was thinkin you're in the middle east or somewhere...

Hahaha no man, Vancouver island British Columbia, Canada.

Texasdigger35 · Aug 25, 2021

1570...
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At 97 degrees n 60rh
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Fr cooking

ComfortablyNumb · Aug 25, 2021

Texasdigger35 said:
1570...
🌤
At 97 degrees n 60rh
🌤
Fr cooking

All you need is a touch of pepper and that egg will be ready for the plate.

ComfortablyNumb · Aug 25, 2021

1570 lux? That's 1570*.023 = 36.11par?
36.11*18hours = 649.98 DLI
Keep track of that number.

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