When to amend organic soil in this case

suckabusta · Feb 24, 2024

Ive been having some small issues here and there with this blueberry cupcakes run (mostly documented on here), and i think ive figured it out. I was given a recommendation to switch to bioall365 for this run, and ive been amending it with the gaia green 444 as recommended. This soil comes pretty much ready to go for several weeks right out of the bag, and i think the 444, wormcastings, as well as the biobizz activera and bioheaven was way overfeeding nitrogen, causing some stress (twisting etc). It seems to level out without the activera, which is a microbial that helps the plant take in nutrients. the bioall365 comes with microbes and casting already so i think i way over shot.

Having said all that, i am ready to flip to flowering now at week 8 (this Monday, February 26th). i transplanted from 3 gallon pots into 5 gallon fabric pots using the amended bioall365, gaia 444 and added wormcastings on February 9th. They do seem to react negatively to the activera so i will no longer be using that on this run.

When should i topdress, and what do i dress them with. Bioall is supposed to be good for 3-6 weeks, plus the added 444. Theyre going to need the gaia bloom nutrients sooner than later, which is my main concern.

Im considering skipping the 444 amendment and just adding the bloom at week 9 (4 weeks from their last transplant).

Apologies for the giant wall of text! I appreciate any and all input here.

LoveGrowingIt · Feb 24, 2024

suckabusta said:
When should i topdress, and what do i dress them with. Bioall is supposed to be good for 3-6 weeks, plus the added 444. Theyre going to need the gaia bloom nutrients sooner than later, which is my main concern.

I mix GGAP with GGPB in a 1:3 ratio and top dress with it a week before I flip. According to the theory I follow, the first week or so after the flip (the stretch) is the last of the vegetation stage. Thus, the plant still needs some GGAP. A week is just a guess based on the relatively slower uptake of organic nutrients. I also think magnesium is important at the beginning of the flowering stage, so I also add a tablespoon of Epsom salt to the top dressing, among a few other ingredients.

budsofgeorgia · Feb 24, 2024

LoveGrowingIt said:
I mix GGAP with GGPB in a 1:3 ratio and top dress with it a week before I flip. According to the theory I follow, the first week or so after the flip (the stretch) is the last of the vegetation stage. Thus, the plant still needs some GGAP. A week is just a guess based on the relatively slower uptake of organic nutrients. I also think magnesium is important at the beginning of the flowering stage, so I also add a tablespoon of Epsom salt to the top dressing, among a few other ingredients.

thats what i do

budsofgeorgia · Feb 24, 2024

this is my autoflower steps
amend soil with a mix 3tbs per gallon all purpose
4 weeks later i top feed with a 50/50 mix all purpose and power bloom
week 4 of flower i feed final feeding 75/25 mix power bloom and all purpose

for photo periods i do
amend the soil with 3 tbs per gallon all purpose
week 4 of veg i top feed 1 tbs per gallon a mix of 75/25 all purpose and powerbloom
week 8 of veg and before flip i feed a 50/50 mix all purpose/power bloom
week 4 of flower and final feeding i top dress 1 tbs per gallon a mix of power bloom / all purpose
also with every watering i add cal mag and kelp extract as directed
this is just what i do it works for me

suckabusta · Feb 26, 2024

LoveGrowingIt said:
I mix GGAP with GGPB in a 1:3 ratio and top dress with it a week before I flip. According to the theory I follow, the first week or so after the flip (the stretch) is the last of the vegetation stage. Thus, the plant still needs some GGAP. A week is just a guess based on the relatively slower uptake of organic nutrients. I also think magnesium is important at the beginning of the flowering stage, so I also add a tablespoon of Epsom salt to the top dressing, among a few other ingredients.

budsofgeorgia said:
this is my autoflower steps
amend soil with a mix 3tbs per gallon all purpose
4 weeks later i top feed with a 50/50 mix all purpose and power bloom
week 4 of flower i feed final feeding 75/25 mix power bloom and all purpose

for photo periods i do
amend the soil with 3 tbs per gallon all purpose
week 4 of veg i top feed 1 tbs per gallon a mix of 75/25 all purpose and powerbloom
week 8 of veg and before flip i feed a 50/50 mix all purpose/power bloom
week 4 of flower and final feeding i top dress 1 tbs per gallon a mix of power bloom / all purpose
also with every watering i add cal mag and kelp extract as directed
this is just what i do it works for me

What soil are you starting with? I feel like the bioall comes pretty loaded and i may have overcooked the soil by amending with the gaia all purpose, and then feeding the microbials on top of that.

budsofgeorgia · Feb 26, 2024

suckabusta said:
What soil are you starting with? I feel like the bioall comes pretty loaded and i may have overcooked the soil by amending with the gaia all purpose, and then feeding the microbials on top of that.

i use that cheap pro mix premium organic stuff you get at wal mart i also use it for 3 or 4 grows

LoveGrowingIt · Feb 26, 2024

suckabusta said:
What soil are you starting with? I feel like the bioall comes pretty loaded and i may have overcooked the soil by amending with the gaia all purpose, and then feeding the microbials on top of that.

I mix FFHF and FFOF, with several other amendments. I also reuse my soil. My thinking is that soil can be reused indefinitely with amendments.

I believe GGAP is relatively safe from overfeeding, but I haven't mixed it with other nutrients other than regular addition of micronutrients.

suckabusta · Feb 26, 2024

LoveGrowingIt said:
I mix FFHF and FFOF, with several other amendments. I also reuse my soil. My thinking is that soil can be reused indefinitely with amendments.

I believe GGAP is relatively safe from overfeeding, but I haven't mixed it with other nutrients other than regular addition of micronutrients.

I think probably adding the activera and the extra worn castings along with whatever's already present in the bioall was probably a little overkill. Im gonna go lite on the all purpose for the flowering feeding.

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