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No one is trying to poke holes, their trying to help you by showing you something better! Coot doesn't benefit by poking holes and Jeremy will sell you a tlo soil minus bat guano because that's horrible process to obtain.Found a good article. I appreciate the breakdown, although In some instances I feel like they are just trying to poke holes in every aspect of The REVs method. I really like the Build-A-Soil & Clackamas Coots methodology, and I look forward to trying it (after this TLO grow.) I have to see the results for myself before I can make judgements!
Kicking off my TLO grow this weekend. Soil has been composting for 3 months now. Going to add a little water and Malibu Compost tonight (Malibu compost by BuildASoil is awesome) to boost the microbial life, and will sow seeds on Saturday or Sunday.
https://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/9885098-why-tlo-dissecting-the-rev-mix-line-by-line
No one is trying to poke holes, their trying to help you by showing you something better! Coot doesn't benefit by poking holes and Jeremy will sell you a tlo soil minus bat guano because that's horrible process to obtain.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say Malibu compost by buildasoil but buildasoil does not produce Malibu compost.
Please share these instances where you feel they might be poking holes at rev.
Please understand I'm not trying to attack or be rude or anything but by doing this, we can learn. If we can't exchange our thoughts ideas and understandings how can we grow?
Cheers
To me it sounds like you're on the right path. blood meal is not ideal cuz you don't know the source of it. SPM, I believe there are laws to having it sustainably collected but I'm not positive.I hear ya - that article is well thought out and I know that the author has good intentions. Don't get me wrong, I really like all the Build-A-Soil theory, and I have nothing against the authors. My gut reaction is that their technique sounds superior on paper. The Rev's stuff is interesting too. I look forward to trying both techniques and comparing. And yes, there is no denying that some of those animal byproducts sound nasty!
Here is a little more detail on what I was saying about poking holes: the Rev promotes using organically sourced amendments, and repeatedly talks about the importance of using quality amendments from good sources - local if possible. The author of the article on BuildASoil gets in to a lot of detail about how nasty some of the amendments can be - but if you sourced organic amendments, they "shouldn't" have these nasty drugs or chemicals in them (I'm mostly referring to the feather & blood meal here). He also states that un-composted manure can still have antibiotics - although the line item ingredient specifically says "composted" steer manure, and in his book, the Rev recommends organic, so it "shouldn't" contain antibiotics. There is always a chance that something labeled "organic" could be untruthful - but short of going to the farm and watching production, we have to trust the people packaging these products to a certain degree. It could be said that Malted Barely shouldn't be used because non-organic uses high amounts of Glyphosate for dessication (are you 100% sure that your MB doesn't contain glyphosate?), or that Peat Moss is unsustainably harvested, and lowersPH too much. But I think most growers would look for organic Malted Barley (and have to trust that it is really organic), and also know how to compensate for the PH changes peat can bring. I also didn't understand why he said that rice would "rot". To me, it seems that the breakdown of rice by micro-organisms would be beneficial.
But I think that it's the organic growers responsibility to spend the extra time sourcing their amendments, and doing their best to make sure their products come from legitimately organic sources. Ideally local. On the other hand, I agree that those animal by-products sound kind of gross. Also, the TLO 2.2 recipe calls for A LOT of amendments, and my initial gut reaction was, "couldn't this all be done with just a few products?". So, I still feel that the author did a great job of pointing out some of the pitfalls of the Rev's amendments, but I feel that almost anything can be picked apart if you really want to.
On the Malibu compost
I see - you are correct. I saw the Malibu Compost for sale on the BuildASoil website, and I assumed that they were making it. I see after looking closely at the picture of the bag that is says it is made in California though. Regardless, after comparing several bagged composts under a microscope, the Malibu compost had the best bacterial & fungal counts I've seen!
https://buildasoil.com/collections/composts/products/malibu-compost
To me it sounds like you're on the right path. blood meal is not ideal cuz you don't know the source of it. SPM, I believe there are laws to having it sustainably collected but I'm not positive.
Barley, yes get organic:)
Yeah you don't need a lot of amendments to be honest coot original recipe is all you need. Rice hulls.. rot or decompose would be a better word but yes it's beneficial.
Like I said I haven't followed the Rev updates but I do believe he was on the right path he just wasn't fully there
Let me help you understand the difference. Sound like rev is going for a bacteria dominant soil. Does he have you counting bacteria? Bacteria are good but fungus is superior in nutrient bioavailability and transport.
The difference is coot basically allows enough nitrogen to get the cycle started.
Bat guano is horrible. Dont support the harvesting. They wipe out bat colonies. Once you disturb guano it releases such toxic gas the bats can't live there anymore. Its also a fast burning nitrogen source.
You can fix nitrogen from the air. LOS and a mineral and carb source will send microbes to work. While they eat they fix nitrogen. Now you see guano is worthless.
Yes from kis organics or build a soil.Do you buy your organic barley online? I have a couple friends who are really in to home brewing, and they told me that most home brewing supply stores haven’t really gotten on the organic train yet (which amazes me). I haven’t checked on organic barely at my local store, but when I asked him about organic rice hills he looked at me like I was crazy!
I can’t wait to try coots’s recipe! If I had the money and space, I’d be doing TLO and Coots side by side to compare! When I decided to try TLO, the sheer number (and type) if amendments didn’t fully sink in until I had purchased all and was mixing them.
Yeah, looks like he is definitely pushing lots of bacteria with all that fast burning nitrogen. I did the microscope analysis on my own, because I’m a card carrying nerd! But it showed that we didn’t have a lot of hyphae from his recipe. I should have used a more fungally dominated compost at the beginning - like Alaskan Forest Humus or Malibu Compost. But that’s why I added a little bit of the Malibu right before planting.
Do you buy your organic barley online?
Do you buy your organic barley online? I have a couple friends who are really in to home brewing, and they told me that most home brewing supply stores haven’t really gotten on the organic train yet (which amazes me). I haven’t checked on organic barely at my local store, but when I asked him about organic rice hills he looked at me like I was crazy!
I can’t wait to try coots’s recipe! If I had the money and space, I’d be doing TLO and Coots side by side to compare! When I decided to try TLO, the sheer number (and type) if amendments didn’t fully sink in until I had purchased all and was mixing them.
Yeah, looks like he is definitely pushing lots of bacteria with all that fast burning nitrogen. I did the microscope analysis on my own, because I’m a card carrying nerd! But it showed that we didn’t have a lot of hyphae from his recipe. I should have used a more fungally dominated compost at the beginning - like Alaskan Forest Humus or Malibu Compost. But that’s why I added a little bit of the Malibu right before planting.
Yo, you don't need a humidity dome. A seed only needs water to pop... no grow medium, no light, no humidity domeSmall delay - I killed 5/6 seedlings by direct seeding and not using a humidity dome. I'm a stubborn learner (The Rev's book said to use humidity dome to pop seeds, but I was afraid of heat in dome, so tried it without).
Running some test seeds (old hermie seeds) right now to solidify my technique and make sure it works, then I'll pop some of the KOS seeds again. So delayed a few weeks now.
I've never experienced that, what SPM are you using?One thing I've noticed about all of my grows using Coots mix is that that peat moss flavor is pretty apparent in the finished product. Obviously, there are other flavors present, too, but the peat moss is always there. Sometimes it's more noticeable in certain than others. I'm kind of getting sick of it (not really). I dunno what buds grown in the Rev's mix taste like, but yeah, man, that fucking peat moss flavor.... haha.
That Bu's blend (Malibu compost) is good shit. I used that for the humus third of the second batch of Coots mix that I made a year and a half or two years ago (has it been that long...?), as opposed to the EWC I used for my first batch. One thing I noticed, though, was that I developed a little fungus gnat problem that never happened before I used that compost. I can't say definitively that the Bu's was the reason, just something I noticed. I like the Bu's for compost teas for sure. And now both batches of soil have been mixed together and recycled, doubt I'll have any issues with gnats in the future (they were super-east to deal with anyway, just some nematodes and diatomaceous earth).
Anyway, I'm stoked that you're starting this grow. Keep us updated.
I've never experienced that, what SPM are you using?
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