Why The Hate For Cheap Leds?

BombBP · Nov 29, 2017

I've grown under the purple lights. Built a nice one.

Then I started reading about cobs and, like you, I didn't want to spend tons of money and be disappointed. So, I bought some cheap citizen clu048 chips, a cheap active heatsink, a couple of passive heatsinks and a cheap Chinese driver and made these.

Now, there's seriously no comparison in the purple lights and the COBs. I'm even driving the COBs at half the power, using a cheap driver and the growth is seriously ridiculous. I did decide to order a better driver after seeing how well they grow. I think you'd love the cobs if you like the purple lights. Now, I've only vegged under the cobs but damn they make for happy plants.

These are under a 400w MH and 90w of COBs in a 4x4 tent.

Oh yea, I took the lenses off the one light.

JakeyBakey · Nov 29, 2017

I use pink led panels. Marshydro.
No Ac, or any cooling, ever.
In one spot, I Run 3 tents (lights,fans,everything) off 1- 20amp circuit.
As we speak I have one 4x4 with a blue widow clone @4.5 wks - has one 275 true watt panel above it.
Had the panel for 2 years now - 7 harvests (soon to be 8)
The only thing I owe this panel is a hardy Thank-you!! And if it broke tomorrow, Id go buy the same F'N panel for $130

JakeyBakey · Nov 29, 2017

I do have some cobs though too. 13 citizen chips - $400 kit and a bad ass grid for hanging.
with 2 drivers, clips, reflectors,and heatsinks.
All inside a tote in my garage.
Why? Cuz im not an electrician and dont want to even Chance of killin myself or anyone else hooking it up, or having a fire. So im cruisin' with the pinks and they work just fine.

MW7945 · Nov 29, 2017

JakeyBakey said:
I do have some cobs though too. 13 citizen chips - $400 kit and a bad ass grid for hanging.
with 2 drivers, clips, reflectors,and heatsinks.
All inside a tote in my garage.
Why? Cuz im not an electrician and dont want to even Chance of killin myself or anyone else hooking it up, or having a fire. So im cruisin' with the pinks and they work just fine.

Feel free to send that my way if it's too challenging for you

BombBP · Nov 29, 2017

JakeyBakey said:
I do have some cobs though too. 13 citizen chips - $400 kit and a bad ass grid for hanging.
with 2 drivers, clips, reflectors,and heatsinks.
All inside a tote in my garage.
Why? Cuz im not an electrician and dont want to even Chance of killin myself or anyone else hooking it up, or having a fire. So im cruisin' with the pinks and they work just fine.

Need help drop me a pm. Easy as hooking up a playstation/xbox.

MW7945 said:
Feel free to send that my way if it's too challenging for you

What he said!

JakeyBakey · Nov 29, 2017

Thanks BBP, when I'm done room building I'll give you a shout.

BombBP · Nov 29, 2017

Citizen clu048 driven softly at 680ma by a cheap dimmable chinese driver. Cost around $25 for all of the components. Now I'd get my best efficiency at 1400ma but even driven at around 25% these lights are no joke.

First pic is with the dim all the way down then all the way up in the second pic. Doesn't do it justice though.

sixstring · Dec 3, 2017

BombBP said:
Citizen clu048 driven softly at 680ma by a cheap dimmable chinese driver. Cost around $25 for all of the components. Now I'd get my best efficiency at 1400ma but even driven at around 25% these lights are no joke.

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First pic is with the dim all the way down then all the way up in the second pic. Doesn't do it justice though.

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finally figured out who the hell you are bbp haha.it didnt click until i seen that cheap ass driver again :p

DismalDude · Feb 11, 2018

Lot's of good info here,too much really.Great to see people building their own lights but not for me.I'm looking to spend some $ and from what I see so far Timber cob systems seem to be a good buy?Remember,I'm not going to build my own just looking to buy the "Right" light the first time.

OldManRiver · Feb 11, 2018

DismalDude said:
Lot's of good info here,too much really.Great to see people building their own lights but not for me.I'm looking to spend some $ and from what I see so far Timber cob systems seem to be a good buy?Remember,I'm not going to build my own just looking to buy the "Right" light the first time.

Thats probably what I'll get when I do my next run. In the meantime, will be using these for the seedlings for outdoors this summer. They work great for that as well.

DismalDude · Feb 11, 2018

sixs [QUOTE="OldManRiver said:
Thats probably what I'll get when I do my next run. In the meantime, will be using these for the seedlings for outdoors this summer. They work great for that as well.

The Fatty CS looks like it would be perfect in a 4x8 on a rail and at that price that's cheap compared to a lot of led companies.

sixstring · Feb 11, 2018

I'm out plowing now but how much is the timber fatty?
Timbers a great value as well as hlg and plc.all 3 offer the perfect light for a 4x4 so double it up and you won't need a light rail.if I was going to use a rail for led I think I would use the hlg 550 just because I believe it will be quite a bit lighter weight than any cob rig with similar light output.

DismalDude · Feb 11, 2018

sixstring said:
I'm out plowing now but how much is the timber fatty?
Timbers a great value as well as hlg and plc.all 3 offer the perfect light for a 4x4 so double it up and you won't need a light rail.if I was going to use a rail for led I think I would use the hlg 550 just because I believe it will be quite a bit lighter weight than any cob rig with similar light output.

the fatty cs is their most expensive at $1600-1700 using 12 Cree CXB3590 COB LEDs

DismalDude · Feb 11, 2018

DismalDude said:
the fatty cs is their most expensive at $1600-1700 using 12 Cree CXB3590 COB LEDs

appreciate the response man,sorry to be typing so broken,spent weekend in er with flu and lung infection.Better now still loopy.At least I'm on the right path,I hate when I buy the wrong things. I used mars hydro last grow and it was my best smoke yet.I'm sold on led,just want the right setup. ;)

sixstring · Feb 11, 2018

im pretty sure you can get 2 of those for 1600 maybe 1700 shipped and it will light up that 4 x 8 like a pair of 1000w hps.they are doing deals on those fixtures right now.
2 of these would also work fantistic for a 4 x 8

sixstring · Feb 11, 2018

timbers version would be 2 of these http://timbergrowlights.com/redwood-vs/

DismalDude · Feb 12, 2018

sixstring said:
timbers version would be 2 of these http://timbergrowlights.com/redwood-vs/

I like the look of the timber lights a bit better than the other.I appreciate the feedback brother,I will be pulling the trigger on 2 of these babies.When I get her all setup I'll come back with some big glossy pics. ;)

sixstring · Feb 12, 2018

You will like those fixtures.if it was me I would get the 3000k veros,and make sure ya have some shades on when ya fire em up.first thing you'll want to do is look at those cobs and it's bright haha. :cool:

km1 · Feb 12, 2018

OldManRiver said:
So, I got a 300W HiGrow LED from Amazon this spring. I used it to sprout seedlings, growing them to about 10 inches underneath it, before moving them outside. The seedlings did well, with good color, growth, and no stretching. This was on the veg setting of the light. This light cost me $89.

I'm about to pull the trigger on this light: https://www.amazon.com/HIGROW-Optical-Spectrum-Greenhouse-Hydroponic/dp/B01HYUO9VY for a closet grow over the winter. It'll be a one or two plant DWC SCROG setup. It's about $159.

I have seen a lot of discussion here that poo-poos the cheaper lights available on Amazon, such as the one above. I am trying to reconcile that with the dozens of five star reviews on Amazon. Can someone explain why these lights are hated here, yet loved by their purchasers? Who is wrong, and why?

simply because most all of us have gone the cheap led route and regretted it..

well after we got something a lot better....

i have grown decent herb under my old burples..but not even close to what i am doing now by going a little bit further..

if you enjoy em and have not bought what we have to see the differerence then you

then why do you feel you have to make this "hater" post..we know the difference..if you do not..then thats your problem..we are mostly coming from HID land to leds..ifn one is coming from zero light land to burples..its possible to be impressed..
can you see someone making a "hater thread" about web speed dial up compared to even dsl..

so many people are impressed they can use email and web searches at 24 kilobaud

why is everyone saying it sux compared to high speed..when the people who use it are [almost]happy?

all the best the people here are trying to help..don't take it personal
..and btw..nice looking grow !

DismalDude · Feb 12, 2018

km1 said:
we are mostly coming from HID land to leds

TRUTH!

Why The Hate For Cheap Leds?

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