Justiceman's Root Health Tutorial

  • Thread starter justiceman
  • Start date
  • Tagged users None
justiceman

justiceman

2,718
263
Sorry if this is an obvious question, but would a coco blend like basement mix from royal gold fall in to the same category as far as watering every day?
No problem it's always good to ask questions. I just looked up the ingredients on their site.

"INGREDIENTS: coco fiber, aged forest materials, perlite, lava rock, compost, coco chip, alfalfa meal, feather meal, fishbone meal, basalt, kelp meal, bat guano"

Based on what has been added to that mix and without knowing how much I would not treat it exactly the same as pure coco or even a coco/perlite mix. That is more along the lines of a soilless mix instead of a hydroponic medium. I personally would not feel comfortable watering as often with the addition of composts, and organic ferts to the mix. Those types of ingredients hold on to water. I'd wager basement mix holds less oxygen than pure coco when saturated.
 
Wisher619

Wisher619

6,648
313
No problem it's always good to ask questions. I just looked up the ingredients on their site.

"INGREDIENTS: coco fiber, aged forest materials, perlite, lava rock, compost, coco chip, alfalfa meal, feather meal, fishbone meal, basalt, kelp meal, bat guano"

Based on what has been added to that mix and without knowing how much I would not treat it exactly the same as pure coco or even a coco/perlite mix. That is more along the lines of a soilless mix instead of a hydroponic medium. I personally would not feel comfortable watering as often with the addition of composts, and organic ferts to the mix. Those types of ingredients hold on to water. I'd wager basement mix holds less oxygen than pure coco when saturated.
I would agree with tou
I would treat it like a light Ocean Forest
still need to feed but not like an inert media
and wait till it dries before watering
 
sorrel23

sorrel23

69
18
No problem it's always good to ask questions. I just looked up the ingredients on their site.

"INGREDIENTS: coco fiber, aged forest materials, perlite, lava rock, compost, coco chip, alfalfa meal, feather meal, fishbone meal, basalt, kelp meal, bat guano"

Based on what has been added to that mix and without knowing how much I would not treat it exactly the same as pure coco or even a coco/perlite mix. That is more along the lines of a soilless mix instead of a hydroponic medium. I personally would not feel comfortable watering as often with the addition of composts, and organic ferts to the mix. Those types of ingredients hold on to water. I'd wager basement mix holds less oxygen than pure coco when saturated.
thanks, that is an awesome and thorough response!
 
Dewd

Dewd

1,506
263
Hi guys I am new to coco growing and I'm wondering... how long is the final flush?
I was going to flush with only ph'd water for the last 2 weeks but now I'm not sure. Now I'm thinking I should flush only for the last week and maybe use 1/2 nutes the week before. I use coco with a little perlite. Mills nutes that will max around 1000 ppm weeks 4-7 on a 9 week run.
What would you experienced coco growers do?

Thanks in advance!
 
Wisher619

Wisher619

6,648
313
Hi guys I am new to coco growing and I'm wondering... how long is the final flush?
I was going to flush with only ph'd water for the last 2 weeks but now I'm not sure. Now I'm thinking I should flush only for the last week and maybe use 1/2 nutes the week before. I use coco with a little perlite. Mills nutes that will max around 1000 ppm weeks 4-7 on a 9 week run.
What would you experienced coco growers do?

Thanks in advance!
for myself I run a flushing agent
so day 1 of a 2 week flush
I run the agent and flush heavy like 2-3x pot size
I then run a sweetner for 1 week *ph'd 5.8*
a sweetner is really just Mg/S and sugar
then day 1 of week 2
run another flush with agent
this time I read ppm
trying to get to 0ppm nutes in runoff
or as close as possible
then run H2O until leaves have completely faded and trichs are as amber as I want
then chop

that is a basic flush
 
Dewd

Dewd

1,506
263
Good roots in coco come with sound watering practices period!!!!!!!! I prefer 100% coco. No need to mix anything like perlite into it. I prefer simple hydroponic nutrients that are easy to use. No additives or 15 different bottles to measure. That kind of stuff only invites problems in my experience so far.


Examples of simple easy to use hydroponic nutrients:
  1. General Hydroponics Micro and Bloom(6/9 h3ad recipe)
  2. General Hydroponics Maxibloom(1 part powder)
  3. Hydroponic Research Veg+Bloom(1 part powder and my absolute favorite).

Do's:
  • Feed often(At least once a day)
  • Check pH
  • Use a balanced quality base hydroponic nutrient(no organics this is hydro not soil)
Don'ts:
  • DO NOT LET YOUR COCO DRY OUT
  • Do not feed plain water
  • Do not add a plethora of additives(they are mostly snake oil anyway so save your $)

Never let your coco dry out. Did I say that already? I water at least once a day(except for seedlings at the very beginning). The more I water the better growth and the more roots I get because of the fresh oxygen being pulled into the medium on a regular basis.

Dry coco kills roots, and so does wet coco that has stayed wet for too long without irrigation. This is because it has not been fed again to renew the oxygen levels thus causing the roots to suffocate. You just can't "over water" coco. You can only deprive the roots of oxygen. The longer one waits to water in coco the longer the roots are deprived of oxygen.

In other words. Feed often and you will get thick and healthy roots. This is a very hard concept for previous soil growers to grasp. In soil you need wet dry cycles because soil holds so much water and so little oxygen at max saturation. Coco is an entirely different beast so think of it as such.

I truly believe the KEY is FREQUENT IRRIGATION

If you follow these simple guidelines your roots will look better and your nutrient uptake will improve so stop letting your coco dry out. Keeping your coco wet is also a great way to prevent salt build up and salt concentration which in turn obviously leads to healthy roots as well.


Here are some examples of plants that have gotten 1-2 feeds a day. Nothing but Veg+Bloom and occasionally +Life(microbial innoculant). That's it nothing else.

View attachment 670721 View attachment 670722 View attachment 670723 View attachment 670724 View attachment 670725 View attachment 670726 View attachment 670727
Great piece. I love it. Great info. Thanks!
 
Dewd

Dewd

1,506
263
for myself I run a flushing agent
so day 1 of a 2 week flush
I run the agent and flush heavy like 2-3x pot size
I then run a sweetner for 1 week *ph'd 5.8*
a sweetner is really just Mg/S and sugar
then day 1 of week 2
run another flush with agent
this time I read ppm
trying to get to 0ppm nutes in runoff
or as close as possible
then run H2O until leaves have completely faded and trichs are as amber as I want
then chop

that is a basic flush
Thanks for the info. I am very excited about growing in coco. Wish I had found this site sooner. You guys are all awesome! Again thanks
 
SteadyDoesIt

SteadyDoesIt

33
18
It's hard to say for sure because of temperature factors and genetics, but I'd say what Wisher said is generally correct.
Great thread man , I'm growing in royal gold tupur and been having trouble catching up with the required feeding.

After reading this thread I'm leaning towards feeding twice a day. I've been getting some light coloring in between the leaves.

Great info

IMG 0572
IMG 0571
IMG 0575
 
Enforcer

Enforcer

2,008
263
Sorry if this is an obvious question, but would a coco blend like basement mix from royal gold fall in to the same category as far as watering every day?
Just to add to Justiceman's reply, which is absolutely correct, do not water a blended soil-less mix daily. I watered FoxFarms CocoLoco (similar soil-less mix) daily thinking it was like pure coco and fried my plants. Water that stuff more like soil, extended wet / dry cycle. I ditched that stuff after my last run and just rehydrated a GH coco brick with some perlite for this run. Now, I will water it a few times a day with the drip system of built. Hopefully it will work out better this time.
 
Wisher619

Wisher619

6,648
313
Just to add to Justiceman's reply, which is absolutely correct, do not water a blended soil-less mix daily. I watered FoxFarms CocoLoco (similar soil-less mix) daily thinking it was like pure coco and fried my plants. Water that stuff more like soil, extended wet / dry cycle. I ditched that stuff after my last run and just rehydrated a GH coco brick with some perlite for this run. Now, I will water it a few times a day with the drip system of built. Hopefully it will work out better this time.
IMO the reason why the plants were fried is because the ec was to high quantative to the respiration rate of the plant
not the media
anything can be watered daily depending on root occupation and drainage
the ec of said feed must be adjusted to the resperation rate of the plant
if high resperation the high ec will scorch the plant
no matter .....any soilless media can be watered as such....even Peat if enough perlite/hydroton/rice hulls etc... is added for higher drainage
 
Enforcer

Enforcer

2,008
263
IMO the reason why the plants were fried is because the ec was to high quantative to the respiration rate of the plant
not the media
anything can be watered daily depending on root occupation and drainage
the ec of said feed must be adjusted to the resperation rate of the plant
if high resperation the high ec will scorch the plant
no matter .....any soilless media can be watered as such....even Peat if enough perlite/hydroton/rice hulls etc... is added for higher drainage
Exactly. I will amend my comment. You can water it daily, but don't because (reasons)/\/\/\/\.
 
Wisher619

Wisher619

6,648
313
I was informed that you can mix it in with feed but I'm thinking of take it out I feel a+b and boost will be plenty since I just replanted the baby's you not need to feed them as soil has nutrients I should wait till I see defences first? I just put them into flowering
depends are they in soil or coco

and if they are in coco they still dont need Calmg
Canna coco A/B has plenty
 

Latest posts

Top Bottom