Cheap alternatives to overpriced hydroponic nutrients

[ttystikk]

can someone point me in the direction of a good thread how to calculate nutrient profiles explained for an idiot, im retarted how exactly do i figure out the exact ppms of each nutrient based of the label?
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When you find it, show me!

 

[Chronic Monster]

When you find it, show me!

you know how to convert right...

i mean like, how do i determine ppm of n, mg, p, k, etc...
its probably some simple math calculation...
like how does desertsquirel in the post i quoted come up with those numbers by looking at the label.. told u i was straight noob status @ttystikk

 

[ttystikk]

you know how to convert right...

i mean like, how do i determine ppm of n, mg, p, k, etc...
its probably some simple math calculation...
like how does desertsquirel in the post i quoted come up with those numbers by looking at the label.. told u i was straight noob status @ttystikk

...and this is a blind spot for me, too. A man's got to know his limitations- while I'm certainly not unable to learn, I just haven't sat down and fought my way through it yet.

 

[budm]

Y'all figure it out, then explain it to me. Please?

 

[tweedy]

can someone point me in the direction of a good thread how to calculate nutrient profiles explained for an idiot, im retarted how exactly do i figure out the exact ppms of each nutrient based of the label?
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Dankworth is a good resource for this. His veg and bloom formula threads are easy for a beginner to follow. Just remember, 1 ppm is equivalent to a mg/L pending on whether or not it is fully available (P and K are labeled on bottles as p2o5 and k2o, which only a percentage of are available to the plants immediately or shortly).

 

[tweedy]

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community...l-or-my-thread-can-beat-up-your-thread.45906/

bloom above, veg below

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community...-copy-of-their-3-1-2-with-improvements.48259/

Also, I like this book a lot and think even though a little dated, its definitely worth while.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/978610.Commercial_Hydroponics

 

[mekannic]

complete noobie here. read this thread from post 1. and started on the gardens cure thread elsewhere. i am slow. it took me days. and i still just don't effin get it. awesome thread. hope i can bump some new action.

i think i get the 3-1-2. basically 3g/g-1g/g-2g-g

i am highly technical and want to follow the rules, and can follow a formula better than an idea. i understand the why just not the how.

i need a good starting point and am curious what else is needed besides jacks 5-12-26, 15.5-0-0, and most.

and must i exclaim rather loudly, WOW, what a price bump/jump jack's has had. and to be sarcastically humorous, i blame it on this very thread. it is twice the price now what it was when this thread started. who's idea was that?

bump.

 

[GR33NL3AF]

complete noobie here. read this thread from post 1. and started on the gardens cure thread elsewhere. i am slow. it took me days. and i still just don't effin get it. awesome thread. hope i can bump some new action.

i think i get the 3-1-2. basically 3g/g-1g/g-2g-g

i am highly technical and want to follow the rules, and can follow a formula better than an idea. i understand the why just not the how.

i need a good starting point and am curious what else is needed besides jacks 5-12-26, 15.5-0-0, and most.

and must i exclaim rather loudly, WOW, what a price bump/jump jack's has had. and to be sarcastically humorous, i blame it on this very thread. it is twice the price now what it was when this thread started. who's idea was that?

bump.

Consider looking elsewhere for salts, try www.customhydronutrients.com ...
Aside from the Jack's Hydro and Cal/Nit I also use Epsom salt at rates between .5g - 1g per gal but it's starting to sound like this extra Mag is not necessary.

Hey @ttystikk , I was looking into other nutrient companies (H&G & Canna) and noticed they both offer Humics and Fulvics. Are you running any products that offer these two, I believe Sea Green has these but that shit can get pricey if using it religiously.

 

[ttystikk]

Consider looking elsewhere for salts, try www.customhydronutrients.com ...
Aside from the Jack's Hydro and Cal/Nit I also use Epsom salt at rates between .5g - 1g per gal but it's starting to sound like this extra Mag is not necessary.

Hey @ttystikk , I was looking into other nutrient companies (H&G & Canna) and noticed they both offer Humics and Fulvics. Are you running any products that offer these two, I believe Sea Green has these but that shit can get pricey if using it religiously.

I've been really trying to simplify my nutrient regimen to the greatest extent possible, to try and remove it as a variable when comparing different growing systems.

I'm running Jacks, epsom salts, MKP occasionally during flower and some extra micronutrient in veg and early bloom. That's it. I think humic and civic acids are considered to be mother nature's chelation specialists, helping dissolve nutrients into water. Since everything in jacks is already soluble, it made little sense to use it.

 

[GR33NL3AF]

I've been really trying to simplify my nutrient regimen to the greatest extent possible, to try and remove it as a variable when comparing different growing systems.

I'm running Jacks, epsom salts, MKP occasionally during flower and some extra micronutrient in veg and early bloom. That's it. I think humic and civic acids are considered to be mother nature's chelation specialists, helping dissolve nutrients into water. Since everything in jacks is already soluble, it made little sense to use it.

Any updates on the different Jacks ratios mentioned earlier?

 

[ttystikk]

Any updates on the different Jacks ratios mentioned earlier?

Running the Jacks blog recipe of 4.07g/gal of Jacks, 2.44g/gal calcium nitrate and .5g/gal of epsom salts. This is the 1.67:1 ratio, and I am not quite a full week into using it.

 

[Fresh Starts]

i think i get the 3-1-2. basically 3g/g-1g/g-2g-g

The 3-1-2 numbers are referring to the ratio's between (Jacks hydro)-(Calcium Nitrate)-(Epsom salts AKA Magnesium Sulfate)

I believe some are confusing those general mixing guidelines and/or ratios with the "3-1-4" respective ratio of elemental N-P-K that is present when you mix Jacks/ Cal-Nit according to the manufactures reccomendations.

These are the individual elemental PPM's of Jacks hydro/Cal-Nit when mixed @ 1/.67 ratio:

N P K Ca Mg
150 52 215 116 63

If we use 50 as the common denominator, the numbers above can be simplified as: 3-1-4 respectively.

i need a good starting point and am curious what else is needed besides jacks 5-12-26, 15.5-0-0, and most.

Jacks pro hydro has micro elements (Cu, B, Mo,Zn, etc.)
So most is not needed. You may need Epsom salts though..

and must i exclaim rather loudly, WOW, what a price bump/jump jack's has had. and to be sarcastically humorous, i blame it on this very thread. it is twice the price now what it was when this thread started. who's idea was that?

I think the total cost for 1 gallon before the price change was 2 cents and now its 2.5 cents a gallon. I guess it also depends on how much you are mixing in. Did I miss something here?

 

[ttystikk]

He did say he was being sarcastically humorous...

 

[Fresh Starts]

I think humic and civic acids are considered to be mother nature's chelation specialists, helping dissolve nutrients into water. Since everything in jacks is already soluble, it made little sense to use it.

Humic acids are very beneficial to soil/soiless environments. They aid in soil quality, water retention, and increase microbial activity. Here's why..

:writing:
After a plant/animal dies in a forest it's remains are decomposed. The decomposition process involves biochemical reactions that leave a small portion of complex organic molecules behind that cannot be further broken down- Humus.
Humus is what makes up a great portion of healthy soil. Humus slowly releases elements back into the soil for recycling to the benefit of plants and micro organisms. Humic acid is water soluble humus- and it's not really acidic.

I run Jack's with Caps' bennies in pure coco substrate. I use Dr. earth's seaweed extract with humic/fulvic acids in my brewing process- but there are other cheaper sources and/or combinations. It helps keep my soiless biology thriving and improves water retention/nutrient uptake in coco.

:bookworm: So long story short, it depends on what you are doing but its great stuff.

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Humic acids are very beneficial to soil/soiless environments. They aid in soil quality, water retention, and increase microbial activity. Here's why..

:writing:
After a plant/animal dies in a forest it's remains are decomposed. The decomposition process involves biochemical reactions that leave a small portion of complex organic molecules behind that cannot be further broken down- Humus.
Humus is what makes up a great portion of healthy soil. Humus slowly releases elements back into the soil for recycling to the benefit of plants and micro organisms. Humic acid is water soluble humus- and it's not really acidic.

I run Jack's with Caps' bennies in pure coco substrate. I use Dr. earth's seaweed extract with humic/fulvic acids in my brewing process- but there are other cheaper sources and/or combinations. It helps keep my soiless biology thriving and improves water retention/nutrient uptake in coco.

:bookworm: So long story short, it depends on what you are doing but its great stuff.

If you're open to suggestions check this product out...

Great source of Kelp and Humic acid

 

[ttystikk]

If you're open to suggestions check this product out...

Great source of Kelp and Humic acid

I actually have a sample box of this whole line...

 

[mekannic]

my statement about the cost is because at the start of this thread jacks was 25 bucks a bag plus shipping and has since doubled in price to fifty plus shipping.

all the math and ratios etc are just confusing me too much.

all i need to know is how many dry grams of jacks to use per gallon of water. and how much 15.5-0-0 (can't even remember what it's called now, i am so gturned upside down) and how much MOST??

i have read this thread from the very first post and every time i think i have kinda gotten the hang of all the numbers and the math involved, i get confused. i am going to have to go back and start all over.

can somebody just give me a decent non math involved recipe for one gallon? a place to start and i can go from there?

i would really appreciate it.

 

[seaslug]

[From the jrpeters blog page:]

"The 5-12-26 + Calcium Nitrate is a great vegetative fertilizer if you need to modify your nitrogen needs or to fit in with your specific water types. This combo can be used to grow a wide range of crops from lettuces, herbs, and fruiting crops. In its simplest formula you can mix ½ tsp. of each product in a gallon of water. I generally do not recommend this rate, but if you only need a small amount, it works. To make 10 gallons of solution follow this formula:
In 10 gallons of water, dissolve 1.3 ounces of 5-12-26, when that is totally dissolved add 1 tablespoon of Epsom salts for extra Magnesium and Sulfur. Finally add in .86 ounces of Calcium Nitrate. This will give you 150ppm of Nitrogen, which is the perfect rate for growing hydroponically.

M.O.S.T- mix of soluble trace- This is a fully soluble package of micronutrients. This is great to have on hand if you are growing in RO or very pure water. Remember that all of our fertilizers except Calcium Nitrate have a micronutrient package."

I just ordered the 4lb + 4lb combo pack; I'm on city well water so I don't think I need MOST.

 

[Fresh Starts]

I just ordered the 4lb + 4lb combo pack; I'm on city well water so I don't think I need MOST.

Jack's Hydro + Calcium Nitrate= A complete Nutrient

M.O.S.T is not needed when using the above combo.

Mekkanic I'm sure that ttystikk has posted his recipe above that you can copy. You will need a scale- a PPM meter would help you out too but it's not necessary.

 

[med man]

i am kind of confused here

in a previous post it said to not mix calnite and epsom together

why is there formulas all over the pot forums for diy calmag by fatman telling people to mix calnite and epsom together with iron chelate?

just an observation. fatman kind of knew his stuff

med-man