basement grow in south colorado

[smalltimer87]

Hello all. This is my first post, as I wanted to make a grow report for my personal logs and to receive constructive criticism from any knowledgeable parties! We are 19 days into flower for the vast majority of the plants in the flower room.

Basement grow specs:
Lights: (12) Philips lights interaction 600w HPS, (1) Philips lights interaction 315w ceramic plasma for supplemental.
Co2: 1000-1300 ppm, supplied from Selene 2 high altitude propane burner
Grow method: soil, hand watered
Pots: 4.75 gallon square 'giant pots' filled with pro mix and perlite only.
Nutrients: NPK industries RAW N,P, and K, blackstrap molasses, willow
Temperature: between 80 and 90 degrees, kronus 4 environmental controller by titan
Trays: botanicare

Genetics:
Loud Scout
Grape Stamper
Chemdog
Skywalker
Reserve Privada Sour Diesel

Test genetics, all of the following are one to two weeks ahead of the rest and were pollinated with a pre 98 bubba og monster of a mofo..

Loud scout
C99
Grape twizzlers
Strawberry jam

I'll be updating every few days until the cure on the sour diesel is complete. Thanks for watching and any insight or constructive criticism is always appreciated. Much love fellows.

We have roughly 125 pots in flower, trellised with some super cropping. Fingers are crossed, energy positive, and praying for a great outcome. Thanks again!

 

[soserthc1]

first welcome to the farm and not a bad start for a first run , think i'll pull up a seat ... my only thought is temp 80-90's seems a bit high as i have been hovering in the low 80's and to high for my liking .... also are the 12-600 's a choice for heat control or a personal choice just curious as to why not 1k's

some killer strain also
best of luck
SoSer

 

[smalltimer87]

Greetings soser, re-dialed the temperature control to 80-85 degrees. As far as the lights go, there are a few reasons we went with them. at the time of purchase, Philips did not have available 1000w lights that ran on a 220volt, just the 600's..these are also nicebecause they cover more Sq.ft. Per watt than a 1000. Lastly they run on just 1.8 amps each, saving us many dollars in power.

Thanks for the input!
Smalltimer

 

[smalltimer87]

Also the lights have the tendency to create less heat and humidity, so yes, they certainly is beneficial there.

 

[ttystikk]

Greetings soser, re-dialed the temperature control to 80-85 degrees. As far as the lights go, there are a few reasons we went with them. at the time of purchase, Philips did not have available 1000w lights that ran on a 220volt, just the 600's..these are also nicebecause they cover more Sq.ft. Per watt than a 1000. Lastly they run on just 1.8 amps each, saving us many dollars in power.

Thanks for the input!
Smalltimer

I like the choice of 600W, but be aware that 600W/220V=2.8 amps, not the 1.8 mentioned above. Would hate to have something burn you down over a typo.

Rest of the op looks and sounds like proper love! Best of luck and keep the updates coming!

...and oh yeah, welcome to the Farm!

 

[smalltimer87]

Under normal circumstances, that would be absolutely correct. However, our lights are superior in that regard. The website who sells them lists the amp usage of the 600w is 1.61 .

We had the lights test at 1.8 amps in the past, but perhaps the tests were faulty, or something else..but from the factory they come in at 1.61 amps. took a pic of my light for proof.

and thank you for the kind words! these ladies get a lot of love....and zeppelin.

 

[Papa]

welcome to the farm smalltimer87.

ttystikk is correct, your lights are using more amperage than you realize. the label that you posted a pic of is misleading. the fixture is actually rated at 1.61 amps when run on 400 volts.

never trust a lighting sales company (like Optex Lighting) on technical matters . . . . go to the engineers, they know about the numbers that don't have a $ in front of them.
check out the specification sheet on the fixture at e-papillon, it's more clear:
http://epapillon.com/images/Specification ePapillon 600W.pdf

w=a x v
and to be accurate, you can't use the wattage of the lamp. the ballast uses additional wattage . . . . so in this case their 1.61A at 400 volts tells us that if the lamp is using 600 watts their ballast is using an additional 44 watts.

 

[smalltimer87]

Hmmm well you learn something new every day..at any rate, I do consider the power I am using to be quite low. Ladies are tucked in for the night, I will tae some pcs of the new crosses tomorrow. Thanks for the clues guys. :-)

 

[smalltimer87]

Amps between 2.5 and 2.65 per light.

 

[ttystikk]

Amps between 2.5 and 2.65 per light.

Good show- and for the capper, there's this thing called the 'efficiency factor' of electrical components because nothing is ever perfect or free, there is always some loss in the system. Magnetic ballasts have an efficiency factor of around .9 when new and they deteriorate to around .82 over time. This means that to drive a thouie, they need to pull an actual 1000/.82=1220W, the rest is lost as heat. Whoa, no wonder the fuckers get hot, right?!

Digital ballasts are better, at .95 to .98 for really good ones. Thus, if you run your bulbs at 600W, they're pulling 600x.95=630W. This divided by the 220 wiring in your op is 2.88 amps each.

To calculate how many of these you can carry on a 30A circuit, first multiply rated capacity times .8 for a safety factor; 30A - 6A=24A. 24/2.88=8.33333 or eight lamps per circuit.

We're here to help. We're definitely here to help save your bacon!

 

[smalltimer87]

Here are the numbers I am getting with your math..600 x .98 = 588. I used .98 since the digital ballasts I have a brand new..588w/220v = 2.67 amps per light..with a safety factor of .8 of the 30a circuit, I can safely use approximately ten lights in one 30amp circuit Thanks for the lessons guys, I am now even more excited for the coming weeks.

 

[Tank333]

Here are the numbers I am getting with your math..600 x .98 = 588. I used .98 since the digital ballasts I have a brand new..588w/220v = 2.67 amps per light..with a safety factor of .8 of the 30a circuit, I can safely use approximately ten lights in one 30amp circuit Thanks for the lessons guys, I am now even more excited for the coming weeks.

I think you did your math wrong here... it's 600/.98=612.24.x220v=2.78 amps per light... Still keeps you within the .8 safety factor for the 30A circuit. Just wanted to make sure I pointed that out in case shit happens and you wanted to put a couple pumps or fans or something on the same circuit...

 

[Texas Kid]

Very nice setup..classic Colorado action goin on..

 

[shawnskush]

welcome to the farm

 

[ttystikk]

Here are the numbers I am getting with your math..600 x .98 = 588. I used .98 since the digital ballasts I have a brand new..588w/220v = 2.67 amps per light..with a safety factor of .8 of the 30a circuit, I can safely use approximately ten lights in one 30amp circuit Thanks for the lessons guys, I am now even more excited for the coming weeks.

DIVIDE by efficiency factor... otherwise you're getting over 100% and Einstein says that's speeding.

Use eight lamps on a 30A circuit for continuous duty (anything over 30 min), don't forget the 20% safety factor on all household breakers.

The number one reason grows get discovered? Domestic violence calls. Number two? FIRE!

 

[ttystikk]

I think you did your math wrong here... it's 600/.98=612.24.x220v=2.78 amps per light... Still keeps you within the .8 safety factor for the 30A circuit. Just wanted to make sure I pointed that out in case shit happens and you wanted to put a couple pumps or fans or something on the same circuit...

Thanks for pointing this out. I did inadvertently use an x where I shoulda used a /, that may be where he got confused.

Since we're talking about his 220 lighting circuit, I rather doubt he'll be adding pumps and fans to it. 110 is (almost) always from a different circuit.

 

[Tank333]

Since we're talking about his 220 lighting circuit, I rather doubt he'll be adding pumps and fans to it. 110 is (almost) always from a different circuit.

Have you ever seen the electrical wiring from a government-built house in Richland? Shit was thrown up in an all-fired hurry back when Hanford was first working on an atomic bomb to drop on Japan... lol. The wiring in some of these places is downright SCARY!!

 

[smalltimer87]

Here is a couple keeper phenos of our crosses. Cinderella 99 x pre 98 bubba/og Kush annnnnnd loud scout x pre98 bubba/ og Kush. This is their 28th day in flower.

 

[ttystikk]

Have you ever seen the electrical wiring from a government-built house in Richland? Shit was thrown up in an all-fired hurry back when Hanford was first working on an atomic bomb to drop on Japan... lol. The wiring in some of these places is downright SCARY!!

Great- Nuke the enemy, fry the locals!

 

[ttystikk]

Here is a couple keeper phenos of our crosses. Cinderella 99 x pre 98 bubba/og Kush annnnnnd loud scout x pre98 bubba/ og Kush. This is their 28th day in flower.

Very pretty!