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Grow more makes 2 kelp products big difference between the two. Aminos work and worth the money,and dialing in ratios of other products like shooting powder most growers here would do more harm. Hell people have problems using the original product. Flowers burn easy.
Now if you bought some cal nitrate and some Potassium hydroxide you would not need H&G.
But I too will not pay people to sell me their bottled water when I have my salts.
 
I use the Growmore cold pressed seaweed, not the kelp meal.

I listed the ratios of the additives. It took a long time to get them correct. The bottle directions are almost always wrong.

I have not noticed a difference running aminos and not running them. The additives I'm using contain some but I do use them to cover all my bases.

Shooting powder can mess your plants up. You have to cut your base nutes in half and start out at the lowest dose of shooting powder. It's not hard. More is not always better and that's where people mess up.

Using salts is awesome! I just use the H&G base nutes for convenience, I pay $25 for a 1 Liter set of Cocos A and B. It lasts me a long time and I'm happy with them.
 
and then @Jalisco Kid jumps on and murders us with more solid information!!

Which grow more kelp do u prefer?
I agree about shooting powder, I saw great potential with the product but all i ever did with it was foxtail bitches, i also felt the buds were bigger but not nessissarly more frost coverage to make up on more surface area( bigger buds, same frost). never burned my flowers with it tho. Ive done much better with hammerhead/moab, soon to be fire/moab.
always schooling us on making our own salts huh, i hear u man and its a no brainer except I fear to much stoner mistakes weighing out salts and mixing emm, or trying to custom mix on the fly and have a mathematical error, a catastrophic one. now if only i can afford to have my own custom 2 part made, that would be ideal.

thanks for the info as always JK.

confu
 
I use the Growmore cold pressed seaweed, not the kelp meal.

I listed the ratios of the additives. It took a long time to get them correct. The bottle directions are almost always wrong.

I have not noticed a difference running aminos and not running them. The additives I'm using contain some but I do use them to cover all my bases.

Shooting powder can mess your plants up. You have to cut your base nutes in half and start out at the lowest dose of shooting powder. It's not hard. More is not always better and that's where people mess up.

Using salts is awesome! I just use the H&G base nutes for convenience, I pay $25 for a 1 Liter set of Cocos A and B. It lasts me a long time and I'm happy with them.

thats the kelp i use, I'm sure the one jk is talking bout.
i noticed on that kelp product it says not for use with organic farms. I wonder what ingredient is in it thats disallows its organic labeling? not that I'm an organic farmer jus wondering, my guess is some kind of preservative or stabilizer. do u know @nightmarecreature or @Jalisco Kid ?
I also havenot noticed running an amino addy made a difference but then again never researched them in an attempt to dial em in. mabe i should stop being lazy.

confu
 
Confuten, you nailed the problem with the shooting powder exactly. Not all my strains fox tailed, however some did very badly. Shooting Powder for ugly looking buds.

Here's my take on it. MOAB. The MOAB causes bud swell. The Shooting Powder cause bud swell along with new growth, they put a hormone in it or something and I just don't like it.

Kid, post some salt recipes if you can?
The reason I have not made my own is because I could screw it up.

From doing lots of reading the best veg ratios are NPK 9-3-6 or 3-1-2. For Flower NPK 3- 9-6 or NPK 1-3-2
 
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They sell a 26% kelp which is what I use and one I believe is 12%. Why buy more water.Aminos I notice in growth and terpenoids. I am told my cuts smell stronger and better especially coming out of a cure.
I agree with you on the Math. I weigh out portions have my ole lady double check weight and label. So later I just throw in bags and do not have to worry. I have seen so many smoke when they do it and can't remember what they added last. JK
 
thats the kelp i use, I'm sure the one jk is talking bout.
i noticed on that kelp product it says not for use with organic farms. I wonder what ingredient is in it thats disallows its organic labeling? not that I'm an organic farmer jus wondering, my guess is some kind of preservative or stabilizer. do u know @nightmarecreature or @Jalisco Kid ?
I also havenot noticed running an amino addy made a difference but then again never researched them in an attempt to dial em in. mabe i should stop being lazy.

confu
I'm not sure but my guess is nothing is Organic till the company PAYS for the label to say it is so.
 
Confuten, you nailed the problem with the shooting powder exactly. Not all my strains fox tailed, however some did very badly. Shooting Powder for ugly looking buds.

Here's my take on it. MOAB. The MOAB causes bud swell. The Shooting Powder cause bud swell along with new growth, they put a hormone in it or something and I just don't like it.

Kid, post some salt recipes if you can?
The reason I have not made my own is because I could screw it up.

From doing lots of reading the best veg ratios are NPK 9-3-6 or 3-1-2. For Flower NPK 3- 9-6 or NPK 1-3-2

yea man, shooting powder beefed up the bud but not the trich aswell, i never ran an additional pk booster with it tho, did u run moab and shoot powder too(together). now, when i run the HH/moab combo, buds swell and trichs covered additional surface area.
confu
 
They sell a 26% kelp which is what I use and one I believe is 12%. Why buy more water.Aminos I notice in growth and terpenoids. I am told my cuts smell stronger and better especially coming out of a cure.
I agree with you on the Math. I weigh out portions have my ole lady double check weight and label. So later I just throw in bags and do not have to worry. I have seen so many smoke when they do it and can't remember what they added last. JK
See my problem is I've always added seaweed to all my nutes. Seaweed contains amino acids. Not all of them but some. Adding the rest of the aminos, I didn't notice a difference because I already had some. :0
 
yea man, shooting powder beefed up the bud but not the trich aswell, i never ran an additional pk booster with it tho, did u run moab and shoot powder too(together). now, when i run the HH/moab combo, buds swell and trichs covered additional surface area.
confu
No. I would probably mess something up. That's good to know. I think H&G uses a hormone or stimulant.
 
I'm not sure but my guess is nothing is Organic till the company PAYS for the label to say it is so.

yea man thats usually the case, but I've never seen a label specifically say not to use it with certified organic farming in Ca. i inturpeted it as if u get ur shit tested and certified organic u could be in danger of losing ur farms certification. and i know thats not because of the cold pressed kelp grown in the ocean.
i have always wondered.

@Jalisco Kid I jus checked my bottle and there was no indication of whether it was 26% or 12%, ima have to do some research.

confu
 
I thought I would post this to help people save some money. I use H&G base nutes, specifically Cocos A and Cocos B but the additives are way too expensive. I do use two additives like Top Booster and bud XL. I seem to run out of the H&G additives too quickly. I use these equivalent substitutes and they work just as well if not better and they are cheaper, last longer.

House & Garden

Multizen and Amino Treatment= Botanicare Vitamino and Dyna Gro ProTekt Silica.

Roots Excelurator and
Algen extract= Seaweed (Growmore seaweed 5ml or (beneficial Biologics kelp logic 1tsp) Humic acid enough for 5 gallons. Beneficial microbes, Great White,root bloom, capulators, ect, enough for 5 gallons. Sea Green 1 ml. 1 teaspoon of molasses. Mix all ingredients in 250 mls of water. Then use at 1/2ml-1ml per gallon.

Drip clean= 10mls White Vinegar per gallon

Magic Green= Natures Nectar Nitrogen 5-0-0 and Botanicare Fulvic acid. I only like spraying my leaves with organic matter. Salts tend to dry out the leaves and leave white salt residue .

Shooting Powder= Mother of all Blooms AKA MOAB

Been using H&G for 5 plus years, top booster only use for one or 2 feedings for that week if 2, I'd feed once with top booster then water the second watering of the week if I don't start using shooting powder that same week. You'll notice after you use booster they drink a lot less.
Bud XL is your bloom agent, used throughout flower, I'd actually start using it start of week 2 in flower if not week one. You need to tweak their chart.
Moab is strong and can potentially make your flowers rattail or crown with house. Shooting powder has been a lot more consistent, some people say it can mute the flavor but I've never had anyone say that to my face so I take that with a grain of salt.
Silica fills your stalks up which can make flushing an issue.
I started to discontinue the use of that a week or two into flower if that long.
Magic Green leaves a waxy residue, adjusts the ph on the surface of your leaves, hindering pests and mold I've found.
I've never replaced drip clean with vinegar, I've used SOS by Strata instead of Drip clean as an experiment. Benies in there, so when using that you discontinue the use of Roots Excelurator. Only thing I add is Magnum by Humboldt for MG deficiency I've been experiencing lately.
I've been prepping for a Canna Coco run next month to see if I can get equivalent results to under current. Been prepping for a total swap out to under current the past couple of months.
 
I use the grow more cold pressed Kelp in ACT Brewer all the time plants look Great.
 
I think the Top Booster is mainly plant growth regulators. It's transitioning from vegging to flower and I think that's why it stops drinking so much. It's cheap anyway.

The Bud XL I think is just extra P and K.
 
yea man, shooting powder beefed up the bud but not the trich aswell, i never ran an additional pk booster with it tho, did u run moab and shoot powder too(together). now, when i run the HH/moab combo, buds swell and trichs covered additional surface area.
confu

When I dabbled with shooting powder and moab, they started to crown like a bitch, def used too much
 
I think the Top Booster is mainly plant growth regulators. It's transitioning from vegging to flower and I think that's why it stops drinking so much. It's cheap anyway.

The Bud XL I think is just extra P and K.

npk
.4-0-.2 according to the btl
 
I think the Top Booster is mainly plant growth regulators. It's transitioning from vegging to flower and I think that's why it stops drinking so much. It's cheap anyway.

The Bud XL I think is just extra P and K.
i still use top booster, cuz as u said its cheap and i don't use very much so it lasts long.

I thought buxxl had some shit that converts surgars or moves them or something? can't remember why i think this or where i read it tho, so i could jus be high...

confu
 
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