Sb 5052 - What The Hell Just Happened?

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daweyo

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Hey guys, I am new to the whole thing, but remember there are two sides to every coin. I am a recreational grower and it has not been easy to get that license. More than a year of constant work and every cent I have.

The main problems I see, which again, is from my very narrow view, is that the so called "medical" growers I have seen operate more like a profitable business, pay no taxes, and a small percentage of the weed goes to the members of the collective, who then also turn around and sell it.

Now, if it were the case that most businesses under the medical guise were legit for people with real problems who need it, then I am sure it would not have gotten to the point of where the legislation is currently at. Remember it only takes a few bad apples to ruin the bunch, and this is the case with most everything in life.

Most medicinal grow products end up on the black market in my experience. But again, I have a very limited view and I am sure there are plenty of legit operations out there.

I am certainly not trying to start a flame war, but in talking with the WSLCB they are trying to offer ways for people in the medicinal market to become legit and more regulated.

The government has never been great at lawmaking, mostly because it is run by money grubbing ego maniacs and the only things they care about is enriching their own lives and family whilst letting everything else be assembled by the lowest bidder/lowest paid servants.

All hope is definitely not lost, it's just that things are going to be more regulated and targeted to medical's real purpose, which is the patient.
 
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SHIRDABZALOT

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Ahhh but what will you 502 turds do when the Indians start growin weed and selling that shit at all.the casinos and allowing you to.smoke on premises. I know what will happen you will fail!! 502 is doomed lol and if your not worried about the Indians then what about the other unregulated market that sells better products on all levels and 20% of your price.....and doesn't pay taxes......oh yeah the blackmarket!!! If your a 502'er you may as well just give up, your fucked before you ever even started. Fuck you Washington politicians your so called "revenue hunt" going down quicker than your moms in a dark alley haha!!
 
straincreation

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Im in cali and i aint signing shit unless its a decriminalization bill, which IMO will never happen so all i can hope for is that this wonderful little gray area of the law we live in, and all its wonderful loop holes Stays the way it is.
Since 1996 we have done nothing but refine the bill and have made it better for the patient and not the grower/distributor. Unless your selling in the black market or just doin shit off the books. Your not making any real money in cali.

Imo WA, col realky jumped the gun, and alot of peopke voted on as @kolah stated earlier false legalization. you think any laws made post 1990 were for the people. Haha jokes if i ever heard um. This id there munipulation tool, to get the profits they want and feel for some reason entitled to. Greedy fucks, i really feel bad about all you guys in oregan.

I would rather live my life having to look over my shoulder, than walk around with a sore asshole for the rest of my days, and no i aint leavin cali fuck that not an option. Unless im leaving the U.S. Which i plan to do at some point. Or atleast off the mainland.


So i really hope that everyone educates them selves prior to voting on any bills this november. Or i think its next years votes, if i remember correctly.either way do
tread lightly my friends, Dont let your excitment cloud your logic.

As for alaska i think they are good perfect place imo, usually is gonna be all local. And how much money is reall gonna be at stake, all the fishermen gonna be spending there bank on weed. So there is that but i feel that it shOuld have a better fighting chance at not making you feel so much like a criminal thats on a pass. That can get yoinked at any time.


Anyway, i hope things get better for you all up in WA
happy farmin;)
 
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Why can i not edit any of my posts anymore?

Mods? Anyone?
Or is it me. Maybe cause im on my tablet?
 
tweedy

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Pretty sure all of these laws going through were just so they can get their foot in the door to fucking medical laws up in the corresponding states. Then once the med laws are killed they will say that the original state legalization laws were poorly written and the feds will step in after they schedule it differently and appoint a company (cough Monsanto) to handle the production country wide.

Surprise you that Bill Gates is behind New Approach and also recently bought an insane amount of stock in Monsanto? He isn't dumb and has been called into the spotlight for monopoly issues before.

Ugh. Fucking. Politics.
 
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EvilOtto

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Ahhh but what will you 502 turds do when the Indians start growin weed and selling that shit at all.the casinos and allowing you to.smoke on premises. I know what will happen you will fail!! 502 is doomed lol and if your not worried about the Indians then what about the other unregulated market that sells better products on all levels and 20% of your price.....and doesn't pay taxes......oh yeah the blackmarket!!! If your a 502'er you may as well just give up, your fucked before you ever even started. Fuck you Washington politicians your so called "revenue hunt" going down quicker than your moms in a dark alley haha!!

Not worried about the tribes growing or selling. No big deal. The Yakama nation will not allow it on 1/3 of Washington that they own, so no worries about outdoor. Also, couple hundred years of degradation, genocide, drugs, and alcohol issues in the tribes weigh heavily on them.

Unregulated market? You mean medical? Like when where anything like medical products available before medical?
You were lucky to get BC big bud and you were happy to get it. Medical and dispensaries and collectives are going
away with SB 5052 and HB 2136. Buh-bye. So where or who is going to make all this stuff and where are they going to sell it? CL? Safeway parking lots?

Black market? Right. Most of you guys have never dealt what black market dealing used to be before medical. Before CL.
502 is at medical prices right now. It will almost be not worth sending norcal or oregon outdoor to Wa anymore.
No more dispensaries. Better send it east coast or midwest like chicago.

Obviously, you have not seen the economy of scale of production looks like. 502 will be fine.
You should really watch Prohibition from Ken Burns or read the book. Everything is unfolding like the book.
Also, stop smoking Steve Sarich's cock, aint pretty.
 
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EvilOtto

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@daweyo

Actually, you tier 3 outdoor operators are the ones who blew up I-502. If LCB did not allow outdoor like they were
originally planning to, prices would be been quite high for a while. But with outdoor greenhouses, holy s*t.
When you do your first harvest (maybe you are used to it if you are from tri counties or oregon),
take a step back and look at the harvest. I have seen 3000 lbs or so, just flower.
Sight to be seen.
 
Growin Grass

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oh is it 6 still wtf
Glad the cops near me don't care either way, fuckin didn't before 502...
 
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I dnt know what the situation is, but I can give you my perspective, I live in the south, the taint of America and I'd be happy if they would Decrimalize or legalize any amount oz or plant wise. I know the law isn't perfect and probably sucks but imagine the laws here and what people like me face every day for loving this plant, and me & wife have medical needs. So I'd be happy that some of your rights are being given back, because most of us here would love the right to possess 3 oz or 6 plants legally. Keep fighting because you have gained more than most states. And y'all gains are forcing a national reform and talk of reform in the most conservative state's. I'm public enemy #1 in my state, they will lock me up throw away the key behind a 1/4 of a oz. Let alone let I'm find someone with personal grow, you will be branded a dealer, and charged with multiple felonies. Been through it, and took the plea deal and was convicted, thank God for the Governors pardon for 1st offenders. Oh and they only caught me with a sprout 1" tall.
So it might be a bad law but it's better than the laws a lot of places. My 2 cents. Keep on fighting
Respect fellas
 
Kaskadian

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No, it still has to make it through the House and the govs office I believe

Fingers are crossed that this doesn't happen. I was debating on moving back to either Vancouver or Portland, but I think it may just be worth going through the OMMP process instead. I guess who can say this wont spread to Oregon after; a lot can change quickly.
 
thunderfudge

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Fuck anybody that is for eliminating medical.I'm going to laugh hard seeing your shit can spore infested overpriced outdoor get wiped from the scene when the real dudes come out of the woodwork.try to take your LCB approved operation and hide it after they fold you like a 3 dollar whore.I will still be in my basement,taking care of friends that don't want to smoke $60 grams of blue dream
 
Kaskadian

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Fuck anybody that is for eliminating medical.I'm going to laugh hard seeing your shit can spore infested overpriced outdoor get wiped from the scene when the real dudes come out of the woodwork.try to take your LCB approved operation and hide it after they fold you like a 3 dollar whore.I will still be in my basement,taking care of friends that don't want to smoke $60 grams of blue dream

Amen brother. I just want to grow meds for my wife & myself. I don't need/want dispensary prices for my medication.
 
Growin Grass

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I dnt know what the situation is, but I can give you my perspective, I live in the south, the taint of America and I'd be happy if they would Decrimalize or legalize any amount oz or plant wise. I know the law isn't perfect and probably sucks but imagine the laws here and what people like me face every day for loving this plant, and me & wife have medical needs. So I'd be happy that some of your rights are being given back, because most of us here would love the right to possess 3 oz or 6 plants legally. Keep fighting because you have gained more than most states. And y'all gains are forcing a national reform and talk of reform in the most conservative state's. I'm public enemy #1 in my state, they will lock me up throw away the key behind a 1/4 of a oz. Let alone let I'm find someone with personal grow, you will be branded a dealer, and charged with multiple felonies. Been through it, and took the plea deal and was convicted, thank God for the Governors pardon for 1st offenders. Oh and they only caught me with a sprout 1" tall.
So it might be a bad law but it's better than the laws a lot of places. My 2 cents. Keep on fighting
Respect fellas

Even though I thought I-502 was full of garbage and completely back asswards I still voted for it. Getting it legal was just the first step and our state gets everything backwards anyway. Do I plan on ever shopping at an I502 store? No. Long live the Black Market!!!! But at least we have the whole country beginning to lean in the direction of accepting our amazing plants.
 
Kaskadian

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Even though I thought I-502 was full of garbage and completely back asswards I still voted for it. Getting it legal was just the first step and our state gets everything backwards anyway. Do I plan on ever shopping at an I502 store? No. Long live the Black Market!!!! But at least we have the whole country beginning to lean in the direction of accepting our amazing plants.

I'm just hoping for a day when herb is looked at no differently than having roses in your garden. I hate that these are even issues that need to be discussed. Maybe it's foolish to hope that greed won't win out in this situation, but a guy can hope/dream right?

Fingers crossed fellas.
 
thunderfudge

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Looking so fire!lololol
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