Cali water shortage, What`s at stake for MMJ ?

[markscastle]

Get ready for California Drought , year 4. And every year a little more dispirit than the last one! Little more rain this year but, much less snow pack. Water tables dropping more and faster. Where is that number for our Lord and Savior at now , I had it somewhere! Good god, just keep getting busy signals ! Voice box is full, call back again! When I did get a connection it was out sourced and couldn`t understand a word they said! Maybe if I could find someone pure to call in my behalf? Maybe a virgin? I think we are all going to be fuck if that`s what it takes! I think we sacrificed the last one to the gods for wine a couple hundred years ago!

 

[markscastle]

Hey the good news is if you can stock up on water u should have a captive market . Have you considered damming your creek ? so you can pump from there . Or building a dam on the side so you can divert water in while its flowing ?

Little late for that now. Plus even though I have water rights, I can`t dam up the creek without a permit. Has to be engineered and passed by a fist full of agency's. It would cost and takes years to do. what I can do is draw as much water as I want from the spring as long as the water is channeled from under the ground. Problem is it doesn`t flow very fast. It slows down all day from about 10:30 am until late at night. as the summer goes by it puts out less and less until you almost can`t pump water at all. That was last year. This year it`s already flowing like it was at the end of summer last year. I`m worried. I got two large tanks to hold as much as I can and so if I have to have water delivered(costly) I have enough storage to except a full load. That`s about all I can do for this year. Now once I get on my property I can have a well put in and get much more storage .At that point the drought will most likely end and I`ll have other problems. That`s just how life seems to go though.

 

[Ned Kelly]

Little late for that now. Plus even though I have water rights, I can`t dam up the creek without a permit. Has to be engineered and passed by a fist full of agency's. It would cost and takes years to do. what I can do is draw as much water as I want from the spring as long as the water is channeled from under the ground. Problem is it doesn`t flow very fast. It slows down all day from about 10:30 am until late at night. as the summer goes by it puts out less and less until you almost can`t pump water at all. That was last year. This year it`s already flowing like it was at the end of summer last year. I`m worried. I got two large tanks to hold as much as I can and so if I have to have water delivered(costly) I have enough storage to except a full load. That`s about all I can do for this year. Now once I get on my property I can have a well put in and get much more storage .At that point the drought will most likely end and I`ll have other problems. That`s just how life seems to go though.

yea but cant you get a dam built then pump water from the creek ? thats what i do

 

[markscastle]

Against the law to build or use a dam on a water way. What you can do is dig a deep spot in the creek to pump water from. You of course can`t stop the stream from running altogether. If you own the land you can use the water if your property has water rights in the deed , but there are still building codes , wildlife concerns and others along the creek that you may share rights with, including many government agency's. If the water comes from springs , if the stream is a class 1 waterway(has fish or contributes to an environmentally sensitive area) and many other factors all determine how or if you can use a stream , river or waterway. I have a stream/spring and water rights but I still want a well. Also water storage. Last year the creek went very low, mostly in the afternoon through the morning when it went partly up again. I know it wasn`t being used above me . It`s already lower than mid summer last year and we are on our 4th year of drought. Not much snow in the upper country. It`s more and more likely it will not flow continually. It may even dry up altogether at some point, then it may not. I`m unsure where the water underground comes from.

 

[Ned Kelly]

o_OOk . Around here we just do it , and sort it out latter . Cause they can't say no once it's done and I never seen them break a dam bank. But your in a different country to me so I'm just shooting the breeze . :D

 

[Seamaiden]

This year is the first year on record that the snowpack in the Sierra Nevada range, where I live, is at ZERO percent of normal. There is, for all intents and purposes, absolutely no snowpack. The meltoff from this Sierra snowpack is what much of the state traditionally relies on.

Ned, what you're talking about with Mr Castle is highly illegal and could get him into a world of trouble and hurt. Sort it out later means court and hefty fines. California ostensibly takes environmental issues very seriously. :o

 

[50YardLine]

Yea, here in the 209 foothills it's scary walking the rivers and dams. Several dams are higher than normal due to PG&E not using the water for whatever reason. However, Lake Malone's has trees sticking out of the water in the middle of the lake it's so shallow.

 

[Ned Kelly]

This year is the first year on record that the snowpack in the Sierra Nevada range, where I live, is at ZERO percent of normal. There is, for all intents and purposes, absolutely no snowpack. The meltoff from this Sierra snowpack is what much of the state traditionally relies on.

Ned, what you're talking about with Mr Castle is highly illegal and could get him into a world of trouble and hurt. Sort it out later means court and hefty fines. California ostensibly takes environmental issues very seriously. :eek:

Yea i figured that you guys must get grief . Over here they make a big song and dance general give you a fine , witch is less than the application fee lol . then issue a non compliant undesirable approval . Oh and playing dumb helps , like it never occured to me id have to get approval for that . i can understand them getting anal over blocking water ways . But a dam away from water way ????

 

[Ned Kelly]

Oh and at the end of the day our government realise that water storage is essential

 

[Ned Kelly]

This is mine being dug out a week ago

 

[redlife215]

I am in norcal and I dam the stream and there is like 10 other peopke damming the same lil stream. It goes dry every year in late July. I just make an 18 inch dam and water fills it up and runs over my dam just to get stopped by the next dam. It's a 5 foot wide stream not some crazy river and I'm told it actually helps the water table to dam our stream and keep it from just flowing into the trinity river and out to the sea

 

[redlife215]

Fuck the cops and the fish and game and especially the government with their bullshit rules. We grow weed, we r renegades by nature, don't listen to those asshole telling u what u can and can't do on ur own property

 

[geologic]

I am in norcal and I dam the stream and there is like 10 other peopke damming the same lil stream. It goes dry every year in late July. I just make an 18 inch dam and water fills it up and runs over my dam just to get stopped by the next dam. It's a 5 foot wide stream not some crazy river and I'm told it actually helps the water table to dam our stream and keep it from just flowing into the trinity river and out to the sea

In the early 30s the CivilianConservationCorps
built little ~4-5 foot rock dams in all the California Mountains/Foothills,
to percolate water back into the ground and for wildlife habitat;
they blew 'em all up in the '60's--
an said "we" couldn't party up there anymore...

 

[Seamaiden]

Yea i figured that you guys must get grief . Over here they make a big song and dance general give you a fine , witch is less than the application fee lol . then issue a non compliant undesirable approval . Oh and playing dumb helps , like it never occured to me id have to get approval for that . i can understand them getting anal over blocking water ways . But a dam away from water way ????

Now, I read a very interesting article (I can't remember what publication) a week or two ago comparing how California deals with water use vs Australia. To make what was a rather long article short, we here in California have a LOT to learn from you folks in Australia. IIRC you folks typically use less than half the amount of water we do here in the Golden State on a daily basis, IIRC we're using something like 55gals or so per day.

So! wanna share some water savin' tips with us? Right now we're doing things like saving the water that runs while we wait for hot to come from the tap, I turn the faucet off while I wash my hands or brush my teeth, we don't have any real landscaping to water as we've left most of the property in native flora, and we've installed dual-flush retrofit kits on some toilets. We still need to get the greywater stuff sorted, that's a bit of plumbing work that needs to be redone.

Fuck the cops and the fish and game and especially the government with their bullshit rules. We grow weed, we r renegades by nature, don't listen to those asshole telling u what u can and can't do on ur own property

And I guess people like me who are really concerned about this vital resource can thank people like you for forcing regulation. Except, I don't feel very thankful.

Oh and at the end of the day our government realise that water storage is essential

Something the government of Puerto Rico never figured out. I just read a story yesterday, after visiting the island last month and seeing how awful it is there <gulp> about how bad the drought is out there on the island. It's a tropical island partially covered in rainforest, and they're already on water rationing of drinking water and the rationing is getting stricter.

Something the folks who have the attitude of, "It's mine and I'll do as I please with it!" might want to reconsider. Now many of my relatives can only get drinking water EVERY THIRD DAY. Pretty soon they're going to either have to leave the island or... I really don't know what.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...se_than_california.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_fb_ru

 

[Ned Kelly]

There heaps of stuff you can do . Like limiting shower output with those little plastic do hickeys . Buying 5 star clothes washing machines , but me I just store it . 3 7000 gallon tanks and a 3000 gal plus the dam . Theoretically I have enough water to last 2 yrs . Using grey on gardens not weed as the detergents and shit bugger the taste imo . But fixing dripping taps . Keeping your gutters in condition to maximise water saving . My fav bath with your partner . Lol oh and drink beer instead of water lol.

 

[Blaze]

One of the biggest things you can do is have a little bit of foresight when planning your grow or buying, renting or leasing your property. The number of grows that get set up on shitty land with little to no water resources blows my mind. I really do not understand how someone could set out to grow an agriculture crop and not consider something as critical as water.

If you are having to steal water to run your grow, then you are a fucking dumb ass who obviously did not think things through very well. I have no sympathy for greedy growers that steal water, and destroy the environment, it gives responsible growers a bad name and is exactly why these regulations regarding water use are being enacted.

 

[markscastle]

Stealing water for an outside grow is akin to stealing power for an inside grow. Just asking for trouble!

 

[coloradoBTC]

Stealing water for an outside grow is akin to stealing power for an inside grow. Just asking for trouble!

have you thought about introducing beaver to your waters?

 

[50YardLine]

I am not so sure I would blame the gardener who has water rights for "stealing" water. Also, are you guys kidding me....If it wasn't for people stealing water these regulations would have never been enacted?????Really????? Did we forget where we live? We have places in cali that tax for soda for Christ sake.

 

[Seamaiden]

I am not so sure I would blame the gardener who has water rights for "stealing" water. Also, are you guys kidding me....If it wasn't for people stealing water these regulations would have never been enacted?????Really????? Did we forget where we live? We have places in cali that tax for soda for Christ sake.

If they're setting up a dam or pump in a watershed here in California, especially when they've got neighbors downstream (and sans permits), they're stealing. People are pulling so much water that previously year-round above-ground sources are going dry, and you think that's not a problem? People can scream all they want but when it's run dry, it's run dry. It's really just like lying about your diet--your body fucking KNOWS when you're cheating. Except the diet is just your body and the stream is not only everyone, but everything else. You see the headlines that we're experiencing the 6th Great Mass Extinction on Earth? Shit like this doesn't help.

And if you compare California's water laws to those of other states, we're looking at getting ourselves more regulation that will bring us 'in line' with those states and people who are stealing water sure ain't helpin' the "don't regulate" argument. If you don't see why that is then I'm not sure what to say to you, because it's crystal clear to me.