New 4x8

[narleyharley]

Yeah I read those expensive ones were yielding 1.5 grams per watt shots crazy. But I don't have that type of money, unfortuneatly.

 

[Genesis]

You have many options at hand and it depends on your goals. How much meds are you looking to pull?

LEDs like Apache Tech and Area 51 will run cool and last a long time but you will pay upfront.

Gavita are great but hot as heck - even if you were to do (2) 600's/750 you would want AC

Don't discount air cooled hoods - probably the cheapest best bang for the buck.

 

[Power OG]

Check into Mars II 1600w led best led for price and its a producer. I run air cooled 1000w and it's definitely the most bang for your buck, but Mars II is very comparible with heat and energy savings.
Respect

 

[motherlode]

You have many options at hand and it depends on your goals. How much meds are you looking to pull?

LEDs like Apache Tech and Area 51 will run cool and last a long time but you will pay upfront.

Gavita are great but hot as heck - even if you were to do (2) 600's/750 you would want AC

Don't discount air cooled hoods - probably the cheapest best bang for the buck.

im running 4 6/750s at the moment on 90% (675 watts) and my room hasnt gotten over 82 - I have 750 cfm exhaust and 3 220 cfm intakes that bring cool air though a boarded up window - the intakes blow over the lights and the canopy - before that I was running 4 x 1k open hoods (was hitting high 80s though)

I have built dozens of rooms over the years (between 2 and 5k) without the need for ac - you need good ventilation - you must run the lights from 8 or 9pm to 8 or 9am and sometimes aircooled hoods - but I prefer to run open

 

[Genesis]

im running 4 6/750s at the moment on 90% (675 watts) and my room hasnt gotten over 82 - I have 750 cfm exhaust and 3 220 cfm intakes that bring cool air though a boarded up window - the intakes blow over the lights and the canopy - before that I was running 4 x 1k open hoods (was hitting high 80s though)

I have built dozens of rooms over the years (between 2 and 5k) without the need for ac - you need good ventilation - you must run the lights from 8 or 9pm to 8 or 9am and sometimes aircooled hoods - but I prefer to run open

I love watching 4k or 4 light grows. A nice 10x10 room, something square and clean. Cleanliness is next to godliness, my next upgrade is just that, 2 more AT600 Apache's to update my room to 3k LED. If I wasn't doing LED, I probably would take your route Motherlode. (4) 750 for 8 foot ceiling... but I'd probably just run em full and throw a mini split. Tho, I bet you save some cash if you can dial that w/ no AC bro.

 

[narleyharley]

Well right now in veg I can't be running the dual spectrum I want to be running because Colorado has gotten hot as balls.... It's 92 degrees with MH and HPS 600 watt....and 84 with just the MH... And it's all exhausted. I'm just about to get another filter and put one on each side of an AC and run air through that way, maybe recycling air too, if I can find those Damn CO2 FUNGI boosters.

But yeah, a 4x8 is 32 sq ft, and if I run 2 6s with one LED I'd need at least a 480 watt LED just to give 12 sq ft the adequate 40 watts per foot and remaining would be 60 watts with HID.... so maybe double the LED and keep the 600s on the sides


I just really don't want to spend all that money on an LED.... But Im very tempted because LEDs are pretty as fuck hahahahah

So regarding the ventilation issue, should I get an AC and another filter for bringing air through then pushing the cool air through the lights and out the tent out the window? And have an exhaust fan pulling air out or into the tent for extra ventilation since lights will be AC cooled?
Or should I AC the room and just blow regular air through the lights with no carbon filter and just filter and AC the incoming (breathing) air and filter the outgoing skunky air ?


Ohhh... Or exhaust fan through the lights, with the exhaust fan hanging in tent, but the air pushed through the lights will be pushed through the AC vent, then itll be filtered before entering the tent.... Then that air gets sucked up from exhaust and goes through lights....... Thoughts?

 

[narleyharley]

Oh and to answer some questions, I'm expecting 2 pounds from 10 plants , roughly 3 ounces a plants and under 1200 watts (when the weather cools or I get the Ac system going.... I'd like to say 1200 grams but we all know that just isn't easy when it comes down to soil and living compost grows

 

[Ned Kelly]

Yeah man get a Mars 1200 - 1600 and run two 600 watts either side . Be sick

 

[narleyharley]

Oh hell yeah it'd be pretty in there too, I'd have to set up a couch in front to take bong hits and stare at my garden lmao

I just looked, ima go with 1600, not as expensive as I thought. More power then 2000 watts, but less watts.

Now for the side 600s, I guess ima switch the bulbs when I flip.... Oh hell yeah.... Ok. This is going to be a dope setup.....



$1000. .........


So mars II 1600 $560
AC unit. $300
One more scrubber $100

 

[Ned Kelly]

I do that lol just don't have room for a couch just a small stool .

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

@narleyharley since you like myself do enjoy the dual spectrum effects I have an alternative suggestion I didn't see anyone mention yet and you may have already looked into this but have u heard of a dual arc bulb??? These baby's rock the house down (IMO) they can be a lil more spendy but only by $20 each or close to that.

Essentially they are a 1000w bulb however the way they differ from anything else out there they run a 600w hps and a 400w mh in the same bulb on the same 1k hps ballast don't need anything special to run them just a 1k hps and hood.
I personally love the hell outa these have not changed back since first run with them. Less ballasts less heat less energy consumption due to the latter combined

Funny thing is if you go this way no one loses the debate get the best of both worlds. Only need 2 1k and u get your 600 watt profile not to mention no bulb swap from vegg to flower I occasionally added more hps at first but not sure if it ever made any difference since I stopped doing this my yield didn't change as far as I can tell anyway.

One of mine in action

 

[narleyharley]

@narleyharley since you like myself do enjoy the dual spectrum effects I have an alternative suggestion I didn't see anyone mention yet and you may have already looked into this but have u heard of a dual arc bulb??? These baby's rock the house down (IMO) they can be a lil more spendy but only by $20 each or close to that.

Essentially they are a 1000w bulb however the way they differ from anything else out there they run a 600w hps and a 400w mh in the same bulb on the same 1k hps ballast don't need anything special to run them just a 1k hps and hood.
I personally love the hell outa these have not changed back since first run with them. Less ballasts less heat less energy consumption due to the latter combined

Funny thing is if you go this way no one loses the debate get the best of both worlds. Only need 2 1k and u get your 600 watt profile not to mention no bulb swap from vegg to flower I occasionally added more hps at first but not sure if it ever made any difference since I stopped doing this my yield didn't change as far as I can tell anyway.

One of mine in action
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I've def and looked into these, and these are dope as hell, I'd prefer to use these in a 4x4, what I'm going for overall is max spread across the canopy due to the tents size and the growing methods employed...
I do all living organics so my yields are naturally smaller, so I like to crank up the light spread, depth, etc.

Thank you for the idea, I def want to use these at some point....

While we're on this, have you seen the dual lamp reflectors? Where it holds one lamp on each side? I'd prefer to get one 2 of these, but then again I like to have more spread.

So I think my plans for my 4x8 are the mars II 1600
2 600 wt HID

I'm moving into a house soon so I might just make that be my scrog tent,
Have my breeding tent be a 4x4 dual arc 1000watt, and my pre veg tent a 2x2 with t5s

 

[Genesis]

We are opposite, I do 4x8 current culture with the 2 AT600. If you were DWC/coco SCROG or 4 plants/light you could either get 1 1k, 1 AT600, or 2 Mars and throw em over 1 massive plant/4 per light to do 2 potatoes.

Like you mentioned organic soil is going to be lower yield so more light to hit your goals. I'm biased toward quality LED or DE HPS. But realistically I think >1.5k of anything in there will have you smiling come harvest bro :)

The best of luck to you in your venture.

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

@narleyharley yes I have seen dual bulb hoofs but not since the early 80's they were very ineffective back then but we have vented hoods and better bulbs now so couldn't say how they preform now. I too like @Genesis Am Bias Towards DE and quality LED I love good LED'S but no way in hell they could ever be woth the cash they ask for them and DE is something of a pain However nanolux announced they are dropping a dual 600w DE for dual spectrum can't find where my buddy got his pictures from or where he posted them on here but they look like an oversized gravita with two wings not sure how well they will preforme but gonna get one and find out when they drop

 

[narleyharley]

Ahh , gotcha. Well, then in not going to do that, I want to implement LEds but, like you said, are wick expensive.

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Ahh , gotcha. Well, then in not going to do that, I want to implement LEds but, like you said, are wick expensive.

Now this is not to say I am any type of led prof or anything, but I have tried a few or know someone who does personally! first ones I used were the China ones like black dog and hg I literally gave these away to an older gentleman who could not use HID! the first real one I had was a magnum plus 357 I borrowed from my friend who was trying to sell it to me for 1k gave it back after three weeks because there was no way in hell the area of light coverage was worth 1k but I did like the way my plants looked. The second one I got online myself was the bar strip lights that commercial indoor food farmers have swapped to these were great but would also cost a ton of cash to cover even a 5x8 (like $4500) then I lurked around for a while and wached a few kessil grows these are what I would recommend to anyone seriously thinking about LED but have yet to try any but the purple one which I liked alot for extra color in flower. However to get good results u need i think 6 of them (all the colors they offer) put on a celing fan style light mover all of which they sell of course the only one I feel actually worth it in the long run that I had three of (sold to friend and regret when I went sealed room co2) are the advanced led diamond series wanted to try the new one too but never did think it's the xm or something they have lots of different styles and brands the management kyle is awesome if u ask for him personally when ordering via phone he will usually throw in some lil thing to play with if u give good reviews on your purchase he gave me a blue and a red screw in led those were neat too lol. Those really are the only one I can see paying for good coverage good lumin/watt ratio more colors than most offer they put individual lenses over each led close to a contact lens in size and more give them a look see if you have not already! they also have one very cool light simular to the kessil I have yet to see in action that I would kill to give a test run called the arc series it looks like it would actually preform better than the rest world wide besides kessil that is they would need a side by side to see what does better

 

[narleyharley]

So, when growing with LEDs...... How much wattage per sq foot do you usually use? I read it was 40 watts to produce a decent 1.5g/watt

I've been looking into them, for a light in the middle of my garden with the 600s on the side.....
So, if the 40 watts/sq ft with LEDs, and 60 watts/sq ft with HID, then I'm looking at 10 sq ft for each light, but id be more using 26 sq ft cuz of ballasts and water being held in that room, and teas brewed... So, let's say I wanted an LED that was 3x3, with 700 watts? For spread across evenly in the tent ? If it were contained its be close to 80 watts per sq ft.... So it'll bounce around and spread across too, right? Or are LEds similiar to CFLs spread wise?

 

[narleyharley]

Never mind, I was looking really hard at the mars II 1600 AND I'm going with that. 5x5 foot coverage..... If anyone else has a better suggestion thats around 600 would be greatly appreciated .... 5x5 can be translated to 4x6 correct.?

Or I was looking at the reflector series they have that has 6x2 coverage and $250 a piece ... With sizes of 3x1

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Never mind, I was looking really hard at the mars II 1600 AND I'm going with that. 5x5 foot coverage..... If anyone else has a better suggestion thats around 600 would be greatly appreciated .... 5x5 can be translated to 4x6 correct.?

Or I was looking at the reflector series they have that has 6x2 coverage and $250 a piece ... With sizes of 3x1

Stick with what you know brother don't jump into led feet first we have not come that far yet in the technology to easily calculate that much less correctly. This is side project stuff you use fun money on IMO

 

[Genesis]

Honestly, if you don't have the dough to buy a quality LED like Apache/Area 51/Custom built COB just spend that money on quality HPS. The cheap LED's from china will break and you will be disappointed when drivers fail, fans fail etc.

The key is QUALITY whatever route you go. If you can only afford one type of tech, get the best you can bruh.