pops hope you feeling better brother closest ive got to your pain was a heart attack and stroke at the same time and a few years before that a headache that caused me to code out twice in 3 days that was never figured out what caused it ended up on intreveinus codine and morphine coctail i think it was and still know it doesnt come close to kidney stones, though my mums next door neighbour has ms so i know a little about it and how much of a rough ride it can be but like jim, gnome, str8 and gardenguy say talk away if it helps we all need to vent from time to time and if i can help by just listening i will