Dewaxed Co2 Oil Without Winterization?

[CO2Xtractor]

Has anyone seen this being advertised? I have seen subcritical extracted CO2, which doesn't have waxes to begin with, but who has seen people able to separate waxes during the extraction? I know Graywolf has that waters machine, and can do it easy, but I wonder if other people understand how. I have also seen EVOlabs using chromatography to remove plant material. Ethanol dewaxing on a large scale is unrealistic. I know how...if anyone wants to discuss it I would love to.

 

[therealTWeed]

I would love to discuss dewaxing co2 extracts. I run a unit that can handle both subcritical and supercritical. I have not been running it that long so any info I can pick up from people in the know would be much appreciated.

 

[Graywolf]

SCFE CO2 dewaxing can be accomplished by fractionating off the different weight molecules on decompression. Suggest chatting with Patrick at Eden Labs.

 

[CO2Xtractor]

SCFE CO2 dewaxing can be accomplished by fractionating off the different weight molecules on decompression. Suggest chatting with Patrick at Eden Labs.

I wanted to discover this myself. I have gotten liquid shatter directly out of the machine. Got 10% returns at 80% potency of beautiful blood red oil...and my bosses still think we need better returns. Could I get feedback on average returns of winterized CO2 oil out of an Eden 20L?? Our competitors have gotten 6-7% returns, but for some reason 10% is not enough...This is extracting on sugar leaf.

 

[cannakis]

SCFE CO2 dewaxing can be accomplished by fractionating off the different weight molecules on decompression. Suggest chatting with Patrick at Eden Labs.

You are the shit GW!

And not like Bono...!

 

[CO2Xtractor]

SCFE CO2 dewaxing can be accomplished by fractionating off the different weight molecules on decompression. Suggest chatting with Patrick at Eden Labs.

It seems like you are also familiar with liquid nitrogen, yes? The next challenge is mass scale production of clear ;) I don't think it will be easy with CO2. I look forward to building a closed-loop recovery system for cryofreezing.

 

[Graywolf]

"Watch this space" on clear production. I know of several folks working hard to develop equipment for making clear out of raw oleoresin extracts, in volume .

The biggest obstacle I see facing CO2 clear, vis a vis clear made from other extraction methods, is cost of equipment, as well as to operate, making its products more expensive.

How are you planning to use cryofreezing?

 

[CO2Xtractor]

"Watch this space" on clear production. I know of several folks working hard to develop equipment for making clear out of raw oleoresin extracts, in volume .

The biggest obstacle I see facing CO2 clear, vis a vis clear made from other extraction methods, is cost of equipment, as well as to operate, making its products more expensive.

How are you planning to use cryofreezing?

Two ways liquid N2 can contribute to making clear: flash freezing material and flash freezing CO2 extract for fractionation. I'm interested in knowing if there is any advantage to a cryo chilled separation. We can only sell clear.

 

[Graywolf]

Two ways liquid N2 can contribute to making clear: flash freezing material and flash freezing CO2 extract for fractionation. I'm interested in knowing if there is any advantage to a cryo chilled separation. We can only sell clear.

I haven't seen any flash freezing CO2 operations, though we use alcohol and dry ice to chill the Kugelrohr collection bulb low enough that it actually collects the mono and diterpenes in the same bulb. Diterpenes as resin attached to the side of the flask, and the monoterpenes as a liquid which can be poured off.

 

[CO2Xtractor]

I haven't seen any flash freezing CO2 operations, though we use alcohol and dry ice to chill the Kugelrohr collection bulb low enough that it actually collects the mono and diterpenes in the same bulb. Diterpenes as resin attached to the side of the flask, and the monoterpenes as a liquid which can be poured off.

We can do the terpene fractionation with pressure gradients :) I got the red clear, but now my goal is the clear, clear. I think a cryogenic separation is too expensive/dangerous for my current setup, but I could see it happening down the road. I'm about to be making kilos of red clear everyday. Funny how people have so much trouble with this shit. Dry ice/iso is convenient for BHO, but too expensive to run 24/7 for CO2.

 

[Graywolf]

How about liquid N2?

 

[CO2Xtractor]

How about liquid N2?

End goal is to build a coil designed for insertion into the dewaxing column, and a high pressure closed loop recycler for liquid n2. It would be dope to see what crystallizes and crashes out at that low of a temperature. For now, I can ghetto rig a supplemental chiller :) the glorious 502 oil!

 

[cannakis]

Two ways liquid N2 can contribute to making clear: flash freezing material and flash freezing CO2 extract for fractionation. I'm interested in knowing if there is any advantage to a cryo chilled separation. We can only sell clear.

Clear is the only kind you can sell!?! Man the only thing around here half the time is dark shitty oil.

We can do the terpene fractionation with pressure gradients :) I got the red clear, but now my goal is the clear, clear. I think a cryogenic separation is too expensive/dangerous for my current setup, but I could see it happening down the road. I'm about to be making kilos of red clear everyday. Funny how people have so much trouble with this shit. Dry ice/iso is convenient for BHO, but too expensive to run 24/7 for CO2.

Crazy!!! I REALLY want to try some Clear Clear platinum! And especially make it...!

 

[CO2Xtractor]

Clear is the only kind you can sell!?! Man the only thing around here half the time is dark shitty oil.

Crazy!!! I REALLY want to try some Clear Clear platinum! And especially make it...!

My new assistant is on some serious Walter White shit. He showed me pictures of live resin he made that tested at 99.8% THC. That was with butane though. CO2 is a whole nother ballpark lmao I feel like I'm on the fucking dream team.

 

[cannakis]

My new assistant is on some serious Walter White shit. He showed me pictures of live resin he made that tested at 99.8% THC. That was with butane though. CO2 is a whole nother ballpark lmao I feel like I'm on the fucking dream team.

Yeah Hyroot on RIU showed some pictures of some Plantinum Stable shatter that was Insane! It was like Lightning Blue Platinum Clear! I would LOVE to take a dab or Three of that!

 

[gt pureweed]

With the right settings and some adjustments depending on the Separator numbers... but one can get the waxes in one chamber and the dewaxed (terpene rich oils) in the secondary separator. Gotta run cold, but not too cold other you make dry ice and will make an ice chuck the entire size of the separator (which we have done once).

 

[cannakis]

With the right settings and some adjustments depending on the Separator numbers... but one can get the waxes in one chamber and the dewaxed (terpene rich oils) in the secondary separator. Gotta run cold, but not too cold other you make dry ice and will make an ice chuck the entire size of the separator (which we have done once).

Beautiful!

 

[Soupstock]

With the right settings and some adjustments depending on the Separator numbers... but one can get the waxes in one chamber and the dewaxed (terpene rich oils) in the secondary separator. Gotta run cold, but not too cold other you make dry ice and will make an ice chuck the entire size of the separator (which we have done once).

Well, this is exactly why I got on here haha...how cold is too cold? I'm a new processor up in WA and have just started running an Apeks 2000 5L. Our very first run gave us a hockey puck of dry ice, we were running at 60F which is what the Apeks tech recommended but that's obviously not ideal. What temp range do you normally run, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[gt pureweed]

Don't think you should be getting dry ice at those temps. Sounds like something else is not dialed in or possibly a slight clog in the orifice during that run. If anything try a little scientific method with runs at the same pressures but with increased temps at specific intervals, ie.
run #1 @ x temp
run #2 @ x+10 temp
run #3 @ x+20 temp
etc
you can choose whatever is a practical interval, but getting dry ice at those temps still doesn't sound right. Those recommended settings should get you some separation results believe it or not. I have run and seen colder and not get dry ice, if anything something kinda like a frozen rice cake and overfilling the cup.

 

[Soupstock]

Don't think you should be getting dry ice at those temps. Sounds like something else is not dialed in or possibly a slight clog in the orifice during that run. If anything try a little scientific method with runs at the same pressures but with increased temps at specific intervals, ie.
run #1 @ x temp
run #2 @ x+10 temp
run #3 @ x+20 temp
etc
you can choose whatever is a practical interval, but getting dry ice at those temps still doesn't sound right. Those recommended settings should get you some separation results believe it or not. I have run and seen colder and not get dry ice, if anything something kinda like a frozen rice cake and overfilling the cup.

Ah OK, so a little frozen CO2 in the yield is typical? Thanks for your insight, we're getting results similar to your picture, so I guess we're on the right track, I just wasn't expecting it because I hadn't seen anything like that prior and was alarmed to see a frozen solid block like that. Given the amount its mass dropped when we let it thaw, I was worried we were trapping and losing too much CO2.

What's the best way to get all that residual water vapor out of that? We've been using a vac oven, but it's been taking a lot longer than we'd hoped. Any alternatives? Rotovap?