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Should I Keep These Plants Or Throw Them Away?

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interesting, well def keep posting, would like to see your results.

hmmm i used maxi for a few years, is your ph off? might explain the zinc def (first pic on thread) maybe not acidic enough. i personally only got two def from maxi, calmag which meant i wasn't flushing enough, or Zinc def being to alkaline. i remember flushing maxi at lease once a week, very salty nute.

Soooo you don't plan on using the GH mico additives? IMHO i would jsut change nutes bruh, i went AN and haven't looked back, actually threw my GH all in the trash.

i stopped using GH after reading article of them being bought out by monsanto but turns out changing nutes has been totally worth the extra bucks
yeah my ph actually was off but i fixed that and i have calmag plus (has nitrogen in it) and someone told me if i start to see a bit of a deficiency to just make the res 80% maxigro and 20% maxibloom but nah not any additives unless i need them for a deficiency I'm just trying to keep things as simple as possible. I'm not even going to think about going into any other types of concoctions of nutes till i have everything down and good and i heard that about the whole thing with monsanto but i heard its more of like a thing where everything will be made the same way, with the same ingredients but its just monsanto reaps the profits If I'm going to change nutes id only do it for a 1 or 2 part complete formula that is very ph stable. does AN have anything like that? I'm sure they do, i know dynagro does and that shits cheap as hell
 
I'm just trying to keep things as simple as possible.

take it from someone who's used maxi for over 3 years, it's not the simple way to go. between the constant ph adjustments to your res, calibrating your ph pen monthly and the flushing everyweek because of salt build up, not to mention how easily it is to burn your plants. i've ruined what should have been some pretty nice harvest by over feeding. And the quality of the nugs, even after a week of flush i can still smell and taste that's seems synthetic IMO.

yeah my ph actually was off but i fixed that and i have calmag plus (has nitrogen in it) and someone told me if i start to see a bit of a deficiency to just make the res 80% maxigro and 20% maxibloom but nah not any additives unless i need them for a deficiency

you should NOT have to add extra calcium if you ph is right, maxi bloom/grow is a complete nutrient. If you see deficiency when?? if you add grow during the flwr period your going to feed them too much nitrogen. In my experience with maxi if you see a bit of def in flwr you probably need to flush ASAP, don't fck with the 80/20 mix (IMO) you'll be wasting valuable time.

If your add calmag during a calmag def, instead of fixing the root of the problem (the PH), your harvest will be in a world of hurt.

If I'm going to change nutes id only do it for a 1 or 2 part complete formula that is very ph stable. does AN have anything like that? I'm sure they do, i know dynagro does and that shits cheap as hell

2 part Advance sensi bloom ph perfect/sensi grow ph perfect is what i use. i'll never be going back to maxi line.

THis is just works for me, my PH pen is just still there collecting dust and my tree's are super lush and green. I've been able to focus on other problems in my room like temps and spectrum. i hope that doesn't come off like im telling you how to grow.
 
i use gh maxigro I'm doing nothing organic at all thats why i think uv would be perfect to just keep everything out because i don't want good or bad bacteria in my res. just my nutes and h2o2 but I've thought about those but wouldn't that filter some of the nutes? and wouldn't the stuff (algae, bacteria, etc) just flow right back in once the pump stops? aren't those for like continus running pumps?
i just remember back when i was using maxi, the res wasn't so cloudy when the ph was 5.5-5.7 that's how i knew they res was too alkaline before i even got out my ph pen, "if my memory serves me right" :smoking:
 
i just remember back when i was using maxi, the res wasn't so cloudy when the ph was 5.5-5.7 that's how i knew they res was too alkaline before i even got out my ph pen, "if my memory serves me right" :smoking:
the ph was at like 6.8 or 7 right before i changed it so I'm sure that didn't help but thanks for the help bro!!
 
take it from someone who's used maxi for over 3 years, it's not the simple way to go. between the constant ph adjustments to your res, calibrating your ph pen monthly and the flushing everyweek because of salt build up, not to mention how easily it is to burn your plants. i've ruined what should have been some pretty nice harvest by over feeding. And the quality of the nugs, even after a week of flush i can still smell and taste that's seems synthetic IMO.



you should NOT have to add extra calcium if you ph is right, maxi bloom/grow is a complete nutrient. If you see deficiency when?? if you add grow during the flwr period your going to feed them too much nitrogen. In my experience with maxi if you see a bit of def in flwr you probably need to flush ASAP, don't fck with the 80/20 mix (IMO) you'll be wasting valuable time.

If your add calmag during a calmag def, instead of fixing the root of the problem (the PH), your harvest will be in a world of hurt.



2 part Advance sensi bloom ph perfect/sensi grow ph perfect is what i use. i'll never be going back to maxi line.

THis is just works for me, my PH pen is just still there collecting dust and my tree's are super lush and green. I've been able to focus on other problems in my room like temps and spectrum. i hope that doesn't come off like im telling you how to grow.
well thus far my ph is steady 5.8, well, 5.77 and i haven't added calmag I'm just saying its what i have in case i need it and i know quite a few people who add some maxigro to maxibloom and love the results (maybe its strain or grow technique dependent? idk) but I'm definitely going to look into other nutes i just got maxigro for now because it was cheap and i want something that can basically feed my mother plants for me while i get my experience up, to be honest id rather not use powdered nutes but i also don't like paying out the ass for water either but sensi bloom is a 1part complete formula for bloom and sensi grow is a 1 part complete for veg and they ph really stays at a perfect 5.8 no matter what? i definitely need to look into that
 
yeah i actually have a small list of things that are going to be replaced every cycle just for convenience and cleanliness sake. esp since the stuff is under 50 bucks I'm not really worried about it but all pots, hoses, airstones, medium (hydroton and obv rapid rooter) and probably even totes (maybe every 2 cycles?) will be replaced just to keep everything right

I would boil your hydroton or rocks and stones. Also i noticed you have clear lines. if you can get black or blue that would be better to block light. I am a cheap skate and re use everything as much and as long as i can and i keep extras on hand to replace anything that is apt to crap out ie air stones, air pumps, water pumps etc.
 
well thus far my ph is steady 5.8, well, 5.77 and i haven't added calmag I'm just saying its what i have in case i need it and i know quite a few people who add some maxigro to maxibloom and love the results (maybe its strain or grow technique dependent? idk) but I'm definitely going to look into other nutes i just got maxigro for now because it was cheap and i want something that can basically feed my mother plants for me while i get my experience up, to be honest id rather not use powdered nutes but i also don't like paying out the ass for water either but sensi bloom is a 1part complete formula for bloom and sensi grow is a 1 part complete for veg and they ph really stays at a perfect 5.8 no matter what? i definitely need to look into that

any updates? did adjusting the ph to 5.6 help clear up your cloudy res?
 
If you want to stick with the nutes you have and want to keep it simple yet effective ? Look up the lucas formula
The formula using the maxi line is
6.5-7 grams per gallon of maxibloom
From start to finish !!!
That's it that's all
Google it bro
Kiss method , lucas formula
Peace, love & Positive Vibes
 
I would boil your hydroton or rocks and stones. Also i noticed you have clear lines. if you can get black or blue that would be better to block light. I am a cheap skate and re use everything as much and as long as i can and i keep extras on hand to replace anything that is apt to crap out ie air stones, air pumps, water pumps etc.
yeah i have black tubing abut I'm waiting to transplant my next 2 plants to put it in and have extra stones and an extra air/water pump
 
any updates? did adjusting the ph to 5.6 help clear up your cloudy res?
yeah my res is good I'm just straight up having problems with the plants now. slight yellow tips, leaves dying from bottom and going up and extremely slow growth i think its nitrogen deficiency
 
If you want to stick with the nutes you have and want to keep it simple yet effective ? Look up the lucas formula
The formula using the maxi line is
6.5-7 grams per gallon of maxibloom
From start to finish !!!
That's it that's all
Google it bro
Kiss method , lucas formula
Peace, love & Positive Vibes
yeah i know about lucas and maxi which is what i have mixable for but i figured it makes more sense to just use maxigro for seedlings and veg, esp since i think I'm having a nitrogen deficiency right now
 
yeah my res is good I'm just straight up having problems with the plants now. slight yellow tips, leaves dying from bottom and going up and extremely slow growth i think its nitrogen deficiency

my guess is it isn't nitrogen def, res might be and probably still to alkaline. are the leaves crumbling? maybe zinc def?
got a picture?

if it's too acidic you'll see calmag def.
 
my guess is it isn't nitrogen def, res might be and probably still to alkaline. are the leaves crumbling? maybe zinc def?
got a picture?

if it's too acidic you'll see calmag def.
yeah crumbling it seems as though the dying yellow leaves lowed a lot, i cleaned/steriziled everything today and put the ppm at 500, 5.8 ph. my concern is the really slow growth and they yellowish lime green color on the leaves and i noticed the stems are like a reddish violet color and i re-transplanted the shorter AK plant deeper into the hydroton. I'm actually now facing another problem with some seedlings i transplanted my northern lights (in rapid rooter) on jan 14th to 5” net pots and was hand watering once a day but after about 5 or 6 days, the plug dried out on one of the plants and i tried re watering it from the top but it still wasn’t moistening so i dipped the whole thing in water and it worked but shortly after the other northern lights plant out of nowhere became underwatered, so underwatered it wilted so bad that the leaves were touching and basically laying on the stem. so i watered them and they came back up but the tips of the leaves were pointing up and the tips started to turn crispy and dry, any idea what thats about? and like 4 days ago i put them closer to my 2-24w t5 (like 3"-4” away) and a day or 2 later the leaf tips are brown/burnt and the cotyledons are totally yellow/brown like the plants used everything in them... i have seen growth though, not very much but a little. so yesterday i hand watered with 5.8ph 250ppm maxigro and did the same again like 3 hours ago. the roots are still nowhere to be seen in the 5” net pot. any ideas on whats going on or what i should do or change? thanks bro. ill post pics of them. ill also post pics of my AK
 

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yeah crumbling it seems as though the dying yellow leaves lowed a lot, i cleaned/steriziled everything today and put the ppm at 500, 5.8 ph. my concern is the really slow growth and they yellowish lime green color on the leaves and i noticed the stems are like a reddish violet color and i re-transplanted the shorter AK plant deeper into the hydroton. I'm actually now facing another problem with some seedlings i transplanted my northern lights (in rapid rooter) on jan 14th to 5” net pots and was hand watering once a day but after about 5 or 6 days, the plug dried out on one of the plants and i tried re watering it from the top but it still wasn’t moistening so i dipped the whole thing in water and it worked but shortly after the other northern lights plant out of nowhere became underwatered, so underwatered it wilted so bad that the leaves were touching and basically laying on the stem. so i watered them and they came back up but the tips of the leaves were pointing up and the tips started to turn crispy and dry, any idea what thats about? and like 4 days ago i put them closer to my 2-24w t5 (like 3"-4” away) and a day or 2 later the leaf tips are brown/burnt and the cotyledons are totally yellow/brown like the plants used everything in them... i have seen growth though, not very much but a little. so yesterday i hand watered with 5.8ph 250ppm maxigro and did the same again like 3 hours ago. the roots are still nowhere to be seen in the 5” net pot. any ideas on whats going on or what i should do or change? thanks bro. ill post pics of them. ill also post pics of my AK

looks like zinc deficiency, not sure why but your plants not uptaking zinc.

you are hand watering hydroton? that won't work, hydroton doesn't have cations like soil or soilless mediums. you could literally top feed all day with a pump, or do an ebb and flow setup. feeding once a day probably won't be enough feeding if your medium is hydroton.
 
yo yo yo, i'm pretty sure
seedlings can take the full light of a HID, don't quote me bro
Really? well don't quote me but most growers cut clones under under florous or t5's yet alone a baby seedling that's sick :)
 
Really? well don't quote me but most growers cut clones under under florous or t5's yet alone a baby seedling that's sick :)


tru tru
just so fort isnt confused:

yes HID will speed up deficiency if you have one.

rooted clones can take the intensity of HID light

healthy seedlings love light, HID's are just fine if not better.

seedlings damaged at a young age may never recover.

IMHO's
 
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