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G gnome said:
U can absolutely pack the roots into coco. Imo ur right limo
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agreed, I have 20L root pouches that are filled, they have eaten my coco too. I am top dressing coco...as a soil grower, this was a surprise
They look happy enough, see here El Fuego
 

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Limonene said:
probably less if id used a 20 litre pot.
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there might be some logic in that, more media means more root growth through a larger profile, longer roots would take more time to return energy, less energy for blooms, there is only so much energy, based on the amount of photons your plant can carry and convert. You can adjust this by tweaking the photosynthesis system, ie adding CO2 Temp RH and so more food.
All plants, even those grown in salt baths of shit minerals will leak up to 30% of all energy they make during lights on, this passing in to the media via the root system as exudates, dinner bells for microbes in a normal world where we dont destroy life with salt.
Binding the roots would likely reduce the overall leakage, so you may get a percentage drop in exudates that means this reclaimed energy can go towards blooms? just a thought. coco's superior O2 holding capacity is likely the reason this works in coco, but not in soil.
 
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Ecompost said:
there might be some logic in that, more media means more root growth through a larger profile, longer roots would take more time to return energy, less energy for blooms, there is only so much energy, based on the amount of photons your plant can carry and convert. You can adjust this by tweaking the photosynthesis system, ie adding CO2 Temp RH and so more food.
All plants, even those grown in salt baths of shit minerals will leak up to 30% of all energy they make during lights on, this passing in to the media via the root system as exudates, dinner bells for microbes in a normal world where we dont destroy life with salt.
Binding the roots would likely reduce the overall leakage, so you may get a percentage drop in exudates that means this reclaimed energy can go towards blooms? just a thought. coco's superior O2 holding capacity is likely the reason this works in coco, but not in soil.
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It's strange then how everything I've ever read on the subject says big root mass = big yield and so far that logic has worked for me :) from what I gather these guys are talking about root bound not big root mass and ime not from books root bounding a plant severely affects performance and I see it in my mother's the slow growth rate and sickly looking plants right upto they get repot a few goodies in the medium and there booming again now granted the time that can be spent in a pot with coco is a lot longer than it is in soil but the results are the same root bound your plants and they get poorly and this has been evident in my 20 years growing experience and my whole point is with air pots this time is greatly increased yet again making for the same improvement as what u get from the finish with coco vs soil :)
 
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mancdank said:
It's strange then how everything I've ever read on the subject says big root mass = big yield and so far that logic has worked for me :) from what I gather these guys are talking about root bound not big root mass and ime not from books root bounding a plant severely affects performance and I see it in my mother's the slow growth rate and sickly looking plants right upto they get repot a few goodies in the medium and there booming again now granted the time that can be spent in a pot with coco is a lot longer than it is in soil but the results are the same root bound your plants and they get poorly and this has been evident in my 20 years growing experience and my whole point is with air pots this time is greatly increased yet again making for the same improvement as what u get from the finish with coco vs soil :)
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I agree in principle dude, I dont stress my plants more than the biology I use does for me. I dont top bend, pinch or cut unless I absolutely need too.

Technically, the only reason a plant would grow a bigger root system, is to locate newer sources of food, air and water. If we provide everything our plants need, then the roots will spend less time hunting new sources and the system will cleave itself and regrow within a confined space, well demonstrated by solo cup growers.

The concept of root bound plants is little discussed in a true sense, its all anecdotal BS with very little actual science to learn what actually happens to a plant in a root bound condition. What we can say is that our plants often respond with traits that benefit humans when we apply moderate stress, as in the case of AAC1 production or ADH1 via yeasts. These biological modulations can insert gene code in to plant sequences from which we can benefit by raising the plants internal defense systems, thereby increasing oil production and trichome density, improving both the quality and shelf life of harvests.
Everything is about the use of energy, a plant will subvert energy to reduce stress, this will impact other systems related or not directly. What does your book say? Does it say root bound is bad because xyz systems are impacted? Or does it just say its bad in a general and no science way?

Most books are trash, knowledge moves faster than print. may be someone should do a proper study on how root bound plants are really impacted, perhaps we might learn something and stop guessing or personifying our crops and style with our own unfounded concerns
 
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