Advanced Nutrients pH-PPM Perfect Technology “Get the stack”

[snowkitty]

The official information from AN about their new pH-PPM perfect technology is this video:



which is also available on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGzSE77qd-U

Doesn’t explain a heck of a lot other than telling you to throw away your expensive meters. At a recent tradeshow I was able to pick up a feeding schedule that might help explain what AN is doing with this pH-PPM perfect system.

I am going to post the feeding schedule first and then add a second post with some more information.

Nutrients for vegetative growth:
B-52
Voodoo Juice

Nutrients for flowering:
Hobbyist
Voodoo Juice
Big Bud
B-52
Overdrive

Expert
Piranha
Bud Candy
Final Phase

Professional
Tarantula
Nirvana
SeniZym

Grand Master
Bug Ignitor
Rhino Skin
Bud Factor X

 

[snowkitty]

What is Advanced Nutrients ph-PPM Perfect Technology, you wonder? I have the answer straight from the horse’s mouth and it is what a lot of you may have suspected.

The ph-PPM perfect system is nothing more than the latest push of marketing.

AN had the product packaging ready at a recent tradeshow and when I pressed them on when it was going to be released the answer was “about a month.” But the packaging is ready, don’t worry. All it looks like is three or four bottles in one cardboard box, to “simplify” the process of growing. But I guess AN complicated it in the first place if you ask some people, right?

Had to ask a senior company rep repeatedly what was different between the pH-PPM perfect system and the old formulas and although he never said this exact word, the answer was “nothing.” He asked what products I use and said that I would keep using that line-up in the same phase feeding regimen. The explanation offered is that the pH-PPM perfect technology is to make growing easier to new people joining the hobby. “Since you own a pH meter and ppm meter you would keep using those.”

I mentioned pH rises when he asked if I had any problems with pH or ppm and asked if I was using Bud Candy yet. I have compared the ingredients and there are definitely slight differences between Bud Candy and Sweet Leaf so perhaps this is one area where AN reformulated to make things more stable(?) The rep said that Big Ignitor is like Bud Blood but in a liquid form. I am kicking myself for not asking about the other three new products I see in this brochure.

Snowkitty will summarize this for you: the pH-PPM perfect system is a way to sell small boxes of nutrients to customers who are scared of having to invest $400 in quality meters. By spending more $, you can automatically increase your level of skill from hobbyist to expert to professional to grand master! Also, maybe these videos will make you forget that AN made you burn your plants when they reformulated stuff back in 2005/2006/2007 and y’all had to figure it out yourself on the forums.

This is what I see on all the forums…the double edged sword of Advanced Nutrients. Hated for their Hummers and slimy commercials and the fact that they are quoting the yield increase to the FRICKIN 100th DECIMAL PLACE c’mon now. But used by so many because of the results and the scientists who are on staff avoiding the camera and procuring the highest quality base ingedients.

I will change my opinion on this if/when I see more scientific information about reformulations that are going on as a part of the system.

Here is the new packaging with that decimal place in the yield percentage. :animal0048:

 

[snowkitty]

Here are the changes that I have figured out so far

Bud Candy = Sweet Leaf + Carboload + slight changes
Bud Ignitor = liquid replacement for Bud Blood
Rhino Skin = name change for Barricade
Bud Factor X = ???

The base nutrients (Sensi Bloom or the 3-part) are being upgraded to contain the following:
Amino acids
H2
F1
Wet Betty

Big Bud is the primary amino acid product for flowering so I don't know if this means it is being discontinued, too.

Discontinued(?)
Emerald Shaman
SensiCal Grow
SensiCal Bloom
Sweet Leaf
Barricade

 

[Mr.PurplePumpkn]

brain dead simple....yeaaaa mom, now I dont even have to think!

AN is about up there with Monsanto and Dupont in my personal favorite chemical companys, what a bunch of sluts

SnowKitty, thanks for keeping us update on what these lechers are doing, i wonder when we get our AN blackbelt, is that after 2K or 3K wasted in AN piss forumla A an B?


General Hydroponics all the way baby...been here since day 1...dont forget those microbes either :smiley_joint:

 

[Qman]

Big Bud is the primary amino acid product for flowering so I don't know if this means it is being discontinued, too.

Big Bud is being replace by HammerHead PK 9/18, or something along those lines (AN told me either one or the other BUT never both BB & Hammer). They have a bunch of new product that is not even on the calculator yet

I have never relied on their "PH-PPM Perfect", I always test my solution...

 

[maimonides]

This is honestly one thing that makes me feel resentment as a customer towards AN. Their products are quality, but the manipulative and not-absolutely-straightforward/a little dishonest way that they market them turns me off. I always prefer when a company just makes their case without counting on and manipulating the ignorance and desire for success of their customers. AN is all about that.

 

[maimonides]

Oh, and thanks so much, snowkitty, for researching and posting these details...

 

[iamgrowerman]

Are you sure the guy you were talking about knew the science he was talking about?

According to what I've seen and heard the pH perfect thing is supposed to be a big difference. They formulated things so that it wouldn't be a big change to use the new line but there is supposed to be some significant changes under the hood, so to speak.

Now don't quote me on this because I'm not an expert or anything, but the way I had it explained to me they polished up the buffers they use. Everyone's got buffers in their solutions (at least all the good ones) that help keep the pH from jumping all over the map.

But the cool thing is that they have some new stuff that reactively releases pH adjusting ions when things get out of whack. So if the pH goes too low, that triggers a chemical reaction that releases what's basically pH Up, fixing it.

Or that's what I heard. If that's true, that's pretty cool. One of the AN guys I talked to said "now don't say I said this but you can use water anywhere between 4.5 and 8.5 pH, mix exactly like the directions say, and you always get the perfect pH." 4.5 is like acid rain.

Believe me... I'm gonna check that out.

 

[ReelBusy1]

Here are the changes that I have figured out so far

Bud Candy = Sweet Leaf + Carboload + slight changes
Bud Ignitor = liquid replacement for Bud Blood
Rhino Skin = name change for Barricade
Bud Factor X = ???

The base nutrients (Sensi Bloom or the 3-part) are being upgraded to contain the following:
Amino acids
H2
F1
Wet Betty

Big Bud is the primary amino acid product for flowering so I don't know if this means it is being discontinued, too.

Discontinued(?)
Emerald Shaman
SensiCal Grow
SensiCal Bloom
Sweet Leaf
Barricade

Kitty did some nice research on this issue to get to the truth.
Well done kitty!

 

[snowkitty]

So is the ppm-Perfect 4-boxes-in-1 packaging hitting anyone's hydro store shelves yet? I see Bud Candy but not the rest of the other new products. Does anyone plan to use this?

I've got a lot of 6 month old AN product and I'm getting less and less interested in using it every day that I don't hear technical info from AN.

 

[greenthumb]

no i payed for big bud liquid version and when i opened it it smelled just like caramel in other words mollasses and as far as i could tell there was no actual difference in anyway.
total waste of money im going organic now though so i will use the last of my current brand (hesi) they are very good nutes get good growth and ph balanced so ive never even checked my ph.im lying i checked once and they were about 6.3.
the only problem is they make all the bud taste the same.smells different.
so i was going to get some canna bio but seeing as though quite a lot of people use bio bizz i will be using those until i can get the amounts right on my own organic mix.

 

[Jalisco Kid]

Nutrients for flowering:
Hobbyist
Voodoo Juice
Big Bud
B-52
Overdrive

Expert
Piranha
Bud Candy
Final Phase

Professional
Tarantula
Nirvana
SeniZym

Grand Master
Bug Ignitor
Rhino Skin
Bud Factor X

So I have to be an expert for my plants to gain something from piranha. Or a Grand Master to gain something from rhino, a potassium silicate. Who ever buys into this line of crap deserves to take it up their.... JK

But you gotta love fat mike from bumping it up from there is a sucker born everyday to a sucker born every second.

 

[iamgrowerman]

They have to name it something, and "Level 1", "Level 2", "Level 3", "Level 4" would be kind of boring.

If you take product naming personally you'll end up living a life of being perpetually insulted.

AN is about up there with Monsanto and Dupont in my personal favorite chemical companys, what a bunch of sluts

General Hydroponics all the way baby...been here since day 1...dont forget those microbes either :smiley_joint:

It's funny you mentioned DuPont and GH... you hate one and love the other?

What would you say if I told you that the GH you love so much is made from chemicals they buy from DuPont?

Nothing wrong with that I suppose. Someone's got to funnel money into the settlements DuPont pays out to all the people their pollution makes sick, crippled, or dead.

Right?

 

[badness]

wow, i wish i could tell what was in a bottle of big bud liquid by smelling it. note to self: if a bottle of nutes smell's like caramel it's shit and i shouldn't use it:mooning

 

[bdawgburner]

I thought that molasses was used in place of sweet leaf or carbo load, not big bud. My big bud doesnt smell at all like caramel. If anything the bud candy reminds me of caramel (which is sweet leaf and carbo load plus some extras). Still works just fine. I'm sure that its a better formula than using just molasses. Otherwise they are wasting a lot of money on their r&d and I think that as money hungry as nute companies are they would stop pouring $ into an inferior product. Business wise it makes 0 sense to do that. Just my .02

As far as gh goes. I have used it and it works but you need to clean your system every rez change from all the salt buildup. Its ridiculous.

 

[knowboddy]

no i payed for big bud liquid version and when i opened it it smelled just like caramel in other words mollasses and as far as i could tell there was no actual difference in anyway.

Someone's got their smear campaign confused. You're supposed to say that it's Carboload that's the same thing as molasses when you try to stain Advanced Nutrients reputation so people will buy your stuff instead.

Can't you even libel properly? And we're supposed to believe you over AN when you can't remember your own propaganda right?

As if the smell of something told you anything really important about it. Ever smell antifreeze? Smells like it should be delicious, but drink it and you end up dead or hospitalized. Air freshener smells like flowers but that doesn't make it "the same thing as flowers".

A two-year old knows that.

wow, i wish i could tell what was in a bottle of big bud liquid by smelling it. note to self: if a bottle of nutes smell's like caramel it's shit and i shouldn't use it:mooning

lol

I thought that molasses was used in place of sweet leaf or carbo load, not big bud. My big bud doesnt smell at all like caramel. If anything the bud candy reminds me of caramel (which is sweet leaf and carbo load plus some extras). Still works just fine. I'm sure that its a better formula than using just molasses. Otherwise they are wasting a lot of money on their r&d and I think that as money hungry as nute companies are they would stop pouring $ into an inferior product. Business wise it makes 0 sense to do that. Just my .02

As far as gh goes. I have used it and it works but you need to clean your system every rez change from all the salt buildup. Its ridiculous.

Absolutely. No one is spending millions to find new ways to put fancy labels on molasses... there's obviously a lot more to these products than one simple ingredient. Easy check - can you put molasses in your hydroponic reservoir and expect good results? Nope. You can expect sludge and slime.

Oh, and the reason that you have that problem with the salt build-up with General Hydroponics is they use sub-standard fertilizer salts to make their stuff. That's how they get the price down on them.

 

[LoM]

Big Bud is being replace by HammerHead PK 9/18, or something along those lines (AN told me either one or the other BUT never both BB & Hammer). They have a bunch of new product that is not even on the calculator yet

I have never relied on their "PH-PPM Perfect", I always test my solution...

This is not true. You can use Big Bud with Hammerhead. HH is just a pk booster. I personally use both now. This is right from the AN site:

How to Use Hammerhead:
The grower using only Hammerhead as a floral supplement should begin applying this product when the blooming cycle begins. Then apply Hammerhead during every fertigation event for the 6 -10 week blooming period at a rate of 0.5 ml per litre of reservoir water.

Growers should stop using Hammerhead when fertilizers are discontinued 10 -1 4 days before harvest and flushing begins.

Hammerhead should not be applied when growers utilize products such as Bloom Booster Pro, or Bud Blood to supplement the first two weeks of a blooming cycle; it is simply redundant. Hammerhead can be used in weeks 3 -5, following the use of such early-bloom enhancers as Bud Blood and Bloom Booster Pro, when their use is discontinued.

Hammerhead can be used in conjunction with recommended rates of Big Bud and all other vitamin supplements made by Advanced Nutrients.

Hammerhead and Overdrive can be combined to supplement the last 2-3 weeks of blooming before all fertilizers are discontinued and flushing begins. However we recommend using half of the basic rate for Hammerhead if combining these two products.

Hammerhead is a concentrated liquid fertilizer supplement. The basic application rate for Hammerhead is 0.5 ml per litre of water.

If combining Hammerhead with Overdrive we recommend 0.25 ml of Hammerhead to be used per litre. (Overdrive is to be used at 2.5 - 5 ml per litre during the final 2-3 weeks of a blooming cycle).

Here's the link:


LoM

 

[urbanite420]

Great info from lots of peeps. The only thing that really bugs me (besides excess advertisements without experimental data - ARGHH!) is that the AN feeding schedules never extend into the 10 week flowering strains...What about us growing Cali Connect strains? Whatever, I just made it up as I went along. The plants tell me what they need...lol

Oh and ppm-pH perfect systems only work if you have large reservoirs, otherwise, you still have to adjust everyday. Checking everyday is a must, no matter what system you use.

 

[LoM]

Great info from lots of peeps. The only thing that really bugs me (besides excess advertisements without experimental data - ARGHH!) is that the AN feeding schedules never extend into the 10 week flowering strains...

It does..on the left side of page there is a "ADD WEEK" button.

LoM

 

[VanillaGorillaH]

any idea on when the liquid pirahna and tarantula hit the shelves? i just started the new ph perfect formulas still need the bud candy, if you use the connoisseur monitor your ppm trust me!