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Magic Potions, Elixirs, And Myths & Snakeoils Ha Ha Step Inside If You Dare!!!

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Magic Potions, Elixirs, And Myths & Snakeoils Ha Ha Step Inside If You Dare!!!

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GoldNBoy said:
Are some of these spores temp sensitive? The inside of a UPS truck can reach 140*+ in the summer, and well below zero in the winter.
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Yes temperature has a lot to do with preserving the viability of the spores. Which is a huge part of the problem. One is, rarely does the product contain what it is claimed to contain, (see oregon state report earlier in thread) secondly the product if it indeed contains the spores are killed off due to improper handling and shipping like you pointed out with the UPS trucks. Then there is the problem of the industry not having a clue of what specific spores will colonize your plants rhizosphere. It is a friggn crap shoot because not even the heavy hitters in plant science fully understand what drives mychos to colonize which specific plant types.
 
#42
MidwestToker said:
Thoughts on the over abuse of Bloom boosters?
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Without going into a diatribe on this in IMHO I think a great portion of growers abuse boosters and ferts. I have said it before and will say it till you all bury me with my beanz that most of the time we try to force something to occur that is already pre programmed in the genetic code of the plant. I believe we/me cause more issues for ourselves with grows because we are attempting to force results that arent in the plants genetic code.

What are your thoughts on this topic of boosters/PGR's
 
#43
Raising chickens
Everyone grows Cornish crosses
They basically eat shit die
Bred for rapid growth
I have found another breed that grows a bit slower two weeks longer at least till they are ready to dispatch
Imo slower growth makes better development of mussels tissues and meat
Less mortality and the quality of slow grow and the breed a French type of meat chicken blows away the faster growing roses by a long shot
Just way cactus You will be saying
OH OH OH OH OH !!!!!!
 
#44
GoldNBoy said:
Are some of these spores temp sensitive? The inside of a UPS truck can reach 140*+ in the summer, and well below zero in the winter.
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I will have to ask one question about this with another question. How do they survive in mother nature in the winter with a frost line around 3' ? It's feakin cold here in the midwest.
 
#45
jumpincactus said:
Without going into a diatribe on this in IMHO I think a great portion of growers abuse boosters and ferts. I have said it before and will say it till you all bury me with my beanz that most of the time we try to force something to occur that is already pre programmed in the genetic code of the plant. I believe we/me cause more issues for ourselves with grows because we are attempting to force results that arent in the plants genetic code.

What are your thoughts on this topic of boosters/PGR's
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Not Necessary for plants to flourish.
Although I have a BA in crop sciences from the 70's alot has changed since then and I really haven't kept-up with it since I quit row cropping 20 years ago.
Lets just say I'm a conservative grower, I feed between 350-500 ppm max and not a lot of change between veg and flower, like I'll remove 30 ppm of N and replace with 30 ppm of P
plus add a little S and that's it.
 
#46
MidwestToker said:
Not Necessary for plants to flourish.
Although I have a BA in crop sciences from the 70's alot has changed since then and I really haven't kept-up with it since I quit row cropping 20 years ago.
Lets just say I'm a conservative grower, I feed between 350-500 ppm max and not a lot of change between veg and flower, like I'll remove 30 ppm of N and replace with 30 ppm of P
plus add a little S and that's it.
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keep its simple and I bet the micro herd loves that consistent low ppm...do you encourage certain bacteria or fungus at a certain phase and do you feed the plant or the micro herd or both? Ah shit I forgot this is the snake oil thread...potential I smell in this thread!
 
#47
chickenman said:
Raising chickens
Everyone grows Cornish crosses
They basically eat shit die
Bred for rapid growth
I have found another breed that grows a bit slower two weeks longer at least till they are ready to dispatch
Imo slower growth makes better development of mussels tissues and meat
Less mortality and the quality of slow grow and the breed a French type of meat chicken blows away the faster growing roses by a long shot
Just way cactus You will be saying
OH OH OH OH OH !!!!!!
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Slow and steady wins the raise. I agree with you. Accelerated growth of cannabis with all the bells n whistles I think robs us of the full genetic potential of the plant.
 
#48
MidwestToker said:
I will have to ask one question about this with another question. How do they survive in mother nature in the winter with a frost line around 3' ? It's feakin cold here in the midwest.
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By going dormant, so I see what your sayn if temps were all that and a bag o chips how do they survive in the wild??? That is a good question dude. Cactus walks away scratchin his head. Off to chase another study I guess. :( LOL
 
#49
Ungerminated spores are generally less affected by temp extremes than the live progeny. At least mushrooms spores, fwiw. I would recon the mentioned organisms survive the winter as spores. I think there was a case recently of an anthrax outbreak in siberia, caused by the thawing of some frozen carcasses, or something along those lines. Dont remember specifics, but info ought to be easy to find concerning this story.
 
#51
mendel said:
http://www.livescience.com/55621-zombie-anthrax-kills-in-siberia.html

http://www.science20.com/news_account/biofilms_how_bacteria_survive_hostile_environments
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With this bit of information now I find myself confused. With microbes and bacteria being able to survive extremes why then with all of the studies show that a large portion of these inoculants never successfully germinate in the feild or greenhouse applications? Would this indicate maybe the spore counts are either too low per package, ? or maybe they arent even there at all? Lending to the snakeoil theme?
To my mind, the Oregon State article I posted earlier in the thread, was if factual and I have no reason to believe it isn't, is some pretty damning data indicating a large portion of commercial inoculants dont even contain what they claim to.

PS @mendel thanks for your input and providing this link. :)
 
#52
Psychonaut47 said:
keep its simple and I bet the micro herd loves that consistent low ppm...do you encourage certain bacteria or fungus at a certain phase and do you feed the plant or the micro herd or both? Ah shit I forgot this is the snake oil thread...potential I smell in this thread!
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I don't add mycos on my indoor plant as they only live for 90-100 days max,
 
#53
jumpincactus said:
With this bit of information now I find myself confused. With microbes and bacteria being able to survive extremes why then with all of the studies show that a large portion of these inoculants never successfully germinate in the feild or greenhouse applications? Would this indicate maybe the spore counts are either too low per package, ? or maybe they arent even there at all? Lending to the snakeoil theme?
To my mind, the Oregon State article I posted earlier in the thread, was if factual and I have no reason to believe it isn't, is some pretty damning data indicating a large portion of commercial inoculants dont even contain what they claim to.

PS @mendel thanks for your input and providing this link. :)
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If the science is really there, then why do they lump 80+ species into a single product, which ones actually works.
 
#54
MidwestToker said:
If the science is really there, then why do they lump 80+ species into a single product, which ones actually works.
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And thats the kicker, even the people that do this shit for a living and in the labs and feild still dont have a firm grip on the whole soil microbiome thing. And they admit they don't. So again, I would say buyer beware. Cause if science hasnt figgerred it out yet then how can we safely assume mfgr's who sell it for profit know WTF is going on?.
 
#58
jumpincactus said:
Without going into a diatribe on this in IMHO I think a great portion of growers abuse boosters and ferts. I have said it before and will say it till you all bury me with my beanz that most of the time we try to force something to occur that is already pre programmed in the genetic code of the plant. I believe we/me cause more issues for ourselves with grows because we are attempting to force results that arent in the plants genetic code.

What are your thoughts on this topic of boosters/PGR's
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They go way overboard... a kilo bag of say dry koolbloom should last you years ....i posted my dilution recipe on here way back. 1/8 tsp of the shit can do 10 gallons of water.
 
#59
MidwestToker said:
So now thoughts on the humic/fulvic acids and their use in a hydroponic system ?
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Come on broski cant let you off that easy. You kick it off with your thoughts 1st. We can extrapolate from there. LOL I'm a big fan of fulvics over humics in hydro. Reason being is the fulvic acid molecule is smaller than humic acid and crosses the root cell membrane easier and aids in uptake. Just my .2 cents Least thats what I have read. Cannot confirm either way tho.
 
#60
GoldNBoy said:
I told a friend's dad, that I had spider mites. He tried to convince me to buy Eagle 20. He said he uses it, and it kills everything... Glad I looked that one up! I won't smoke his anymore, either.
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Oh he was correct that it kills everything, including you if you smoke enough shit sprayed with it!!!
 
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