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how is all this gonna correspond with the UC?
I was reading their feed chart, it is ridiculously low compared to other feed charts?
yeah I dont really know
I think maybe just follow the chart if you have their nutes
I have seen recirc charts with like 2.5ec
and then recirc charts with 1.0ec
you know it is funny
my outdoor tomatoes I run dry
the leaves look horrible
but there is a rediculous amount of flowers and fruit

kinda like those dudes that have shit leaves that are all burnt
but huge greasy flowers

maybe there is something to that

my last run with that GG plant
the leaves looked like shit the entire time

but the flowers were the stickiest/greasiest/smelliest flowers I have grown to date

that was with that Veg plus Bloom
I didnt like it because the plant looked like trash

but the flowers were amazing
 
yeah I dont really know
I think maybe just follow the chart if you have their nutes
I have seen recirc charts with like 2.5ec
and then recirc charts with 1.0ec
you know it is funny
my outdoor tomatoes I run dry
the leaves look horrible
but there is a rediculous amount of flowers and fruit

kinda like those dudes that have shit leaves that are all burnt
but huge greasy flowers

maybe there is something to that

my last run with that GG plant
the leaves looked like shit the entire time

but the flowers were the stickiest/greasiest/smelliest flowers I have grown to date

that was with that Veg plus Bloom
I didnt like it because the plant looked like trash

but the flowers were amazing
confusing! to say the least...
 
confusing! to say the least...
I dont think im doing the lsting with the fans properly.. They branched out pretty good but my tops are still shooting up father than the branches.. I prob should trim them again.
This fri im leaving for the weekend, so im gonna throw them in the dark for the weekend and on mon they will start 1st day of flower...
 
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hell i done forgot how old they are lol.. 4 weeks old like 26 to 29 days...

Here when i finally get a goooooood tea brewing i go sterile .......
 

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I read this article in Urban Garden Magazine, thought I would share since its about the UC,
The Water Room
Is your back aching from lugging endless sacks of soil, coco or other growth media in and out of your indoor garden? Then check out our latest blueprint, aptly named “The Water Room.” The idea is to grow monster tomato plants directly in a nutrient solution using a cutting-edge, modular Deep Water Culture (DWC) system called The Under Current™. But the liquid theme doesn’t end there. Water is also used to cool the garden using an ingenious chiller-based system created by Hydro Innovations.

Everest catches up with Dan and Stephen, the co-designers of this blueprint, to find out what logic exists beyond all this liquid!

GROWING IN WATER
Everest: Hi Dan. Let’s start by looking at the systems themselves. Am I right in thinking each 16 pot system requires both an air pump and a water pump?

Dan: That’s right, Everest. The inline water pump powers the negative solution displacement, which drives the Sub Current Culture (SCC) method. The linear, high efficiency air pumps provide the active aeration which supercharges the nutrient uptake.

Everest: So it runs 24/7 – even during the night cycle?

Dan: In properly aerated and balanced nutrient solution, plant roots can stay submerged 24/7, even through the dark cycle. Plants continue to metabolize nutrients and exchange gases in the dark, so keeping the solution moving aids in these processes. And remember, no timers for pumps means no worries!

Everest: How much solution is in each module?

Dan: We recommend an operating volume of approximately six gallons per module. That makes 100 gallons +/- in a 16XL (6 x 17 modules). A very small volume of solution is held in each joint (conduit) between the modules as well.

Everest: Is it the same for the bloom cycle?

Dan: We advise growers to drop the operating level to about four gallons per module during the fruit and flowering cycle. This helps ensure ample atmospheric oxygen uptake by the non submerged roots within the module. This oxygen exposure aids in proper fruit set and essential oil production as the plants mature. This technique can also mimic “drought conditions,” which triggers the plant to produce more oils as a means of reducing transpiration rates.

Everest: What about nutrient top-up?

Dan: The return module (epicenter) comes equipped with a high quality float valve built in for easy auto top-off. Each system also includes a bulkhead adapter for plumbing straight to your reservoir.

Everest: What about developing this set-up further with an auto-dosing system?

Dan: This system would work perfectly with an auto-doser like the Intellidose from AM. In this case you would plumb the Under Current (UC) float valve directly to a pure water source and let the Intellidose do the rest. Of course, you’ll need to set the doser to your specs, but then it’s on like Donkey Kong. The likelihood of a zero dump out run increases exponentially when a doser is used.

Everest: What EC should the top off res be balanced to?

Dan: When operated properly, top off should be balanced the same as the solution in the system. Traditionally hydro growers have been instructed to top off with half strength or pure water to avoid nutrient toxicity, but because the UC runs best with half strength nutes there is less of a chance of salt build-up. Ideally the solution in the system should stay balanced even as the plants use the nutrient and water. As a rule of thumb, if the nutrient EC/TDS rises as the solution is depleted you are likely running your levels too high to begin with. Conversely, if your EC/TDS drops it indicates you’ve started too low. Ultimately, as solution levels drop in the system the EC/TDS should stay stable; this is a good indicator that you’re dialed in. This EC/TDS stability will translate into improved plant health and greater pH stability to boot.

Everest: What if I experience drift in my nutes?

Dan: Correct it with your top off solutions. For example: a system started at 500ppm but has crept to 625ppm as the solution level has decreased. That’s a 25% increase, which can be easily offset by a top off res balanced at 25% below the initial 500ppm. This results in a top off res balanced at 375ppm to compensate. Ideally solution strength should stay constant as the plants consume it. This is a good indicator that minerals and water are being used at equal proportions.

Everest: What solution temperatures are optimal?

Dan: The system operates well anywhere from 65-80°F. We recommend maintaining a temperature between 68-72°F. This is a happy medium between optimum dissolved oxygen capacity and not chilling the nutrient solution so much that it slows the plant’s metabolism. If necessary, the water chiller can be easily adapted to the return pump.

Everest: Besides high water temps, what else can reduce dissolved oxygen levels in the system?

Dan: Elevated levels of dissolved solids can displace dissolved oxygen as they compete for real estate in the nutrient solution. So cool, half strength nutes are a perfect environment for high dissolved oxygen levels.

Everest: What dissolved oxygen levels should growers aim for in the UC?

Dan: We’ve tested on average +/- 9ppm of D.O. in solution. Water temps and quality will influence levels. As a point of reference, Dr. Elaine Ingham recommends no less than 6ppm to brew actively aerated teas.

Everest: You claim nutrient solution can last several weeks in the UC, but what about nutrient schedules that change by week?

Dan: Given that we encourage zero nutrient change outs, this does complicate things a bit. Best technique is to dilute any primary supplement into the top off reservoir.

Everest: How do you veg for the system?

Dan: Quad Tops are now available for the UC which allow up to four juvenile plants to be grown in each bucket. You can transplant our 5.5” heavy duty net pots right into your blooming UC rig. Other systems that veg well for the system include the GH Aeroflo2, AmHydro’s N.F.T., or transplant straight out of any aero cloner. Veg times in the UC are notoriously quick so start your fruiting cycles early to avoid overgrown madness. WE MEAN IT!

Everest: What grow media works best in the net pots?

Dan: Any non-wicking inert grow media tends to work best. Expanded clay pellets, growstones, silica stones, lava rock, sure to grow … to name a few. When using a wicking media like rockwool be sure to adjust the solution level to a point where it is not in contact with the media.

Everest: How much longer will nutrient stay viable vs. traditional ebb ‘n’ flow set-ups?

Dan: Time frames vary but typical change outs in E/F are about 7-10 days. In the UC, change outs should be necessary no sooner then 21-28 days. Many variables influence this time frame, so adjust your time frame to best meet your needs. Change nutes once they destabilize or become murky.

Everest: Is it a pain to clean in between crops?

Dan: Disassembly is not necessary. A bottle brush, green pad, biogreen and some elbow grease is all you need.
 
Everest: How much longer will nutrient stay viable vs. traditional ebb ‘n’ flow set-ups?

Dan: Time frames vary but typical change outs in E/F are about 7-10 days. In the UC, change outs should be necessary no sooner then 21-28 days. Many variables influence this time frame, so adjust your time frame to best meet your needs. Change nutes once they destabilize or become murky.

I love that part...
 
If you end up in the pokey I'll send you my recipe for my famous duck sauce (it involves Koop aid packs and peanut butter. What can go wrong). Drizzle on the sweet and sour pork spread. Wow. Lol! And I'll throw a couple honey buns in the package. That's always a nice surprize
Wtf!lol
 
Water functions as a source of some nutrients, and as a delivery vehicle to transport nutrients into the plant via the xylem vascular system. When plants are exposed to low relative humidity, they lose water by transpiration through their stomata. Water also evaporates from the medium. However, transpiration and evaporation can lead to a salt build-up in the medium if proper management practices are ignored. Although some salts are absorbed by the plant, there is a sharp increase in the concentration and a build-up of some undesirable salts.
When growing in soil, root volume and soil space are large enough that salt accumulation does not interfere with plant growth as quickly. But in soilless culture there is no space to buffer this salt
build-up, and immediate action is needed to purge the medium and lower the concentration of these dangerous components by washing them away. To avoid this problem, the common practice is to supply extra water at every irrigation cycle to ensure sufficient drainage - irrigation water should pass through most of the medium volume and leach away high salt concentrations at the drainage point. Theoretically, a 10% increase in water volume during daily irrigation cycles should be sufficient, but practically, an extra 30-50% of water is used.
When plants are supplied with mineral fertilisers, although some are consumed and some are lost by leaching, the medium solution electrical conductivity is increasing compared to the drip-line point. The accumulation is mainly of nitrate and chloride.
It is important to identify the reason for any EC elevation to avoid taking wrong corrective action. For example, chloride is a micronutrient and is required by plants in very small amounts. However, excess chloride will not be absorbed and will easily accumulate in the medium. Because chloride is highly soluble, it will almost always be present in the solution and affect the EC.
Nutrient consumption can be roughly estimated by checking the changes in the nitrate (NO3-) content of the nutrient solution. Compared to the drip-line point, it will go up and down, generally reflecting changes in plant consumption. Another form of nitrogen that can tell us about the status of the growing medium is nitrite (NO2-) concentration. In case of over-irrigation, water accumulation in the medium leads to waterlogging, and to decreased availability of oxygen in the medium. This change uncouples the chemical transformation of ammonium to nitrate causing nitrite to appear and accumulate in the medium. The nitrite anion is toxic to plant roots and will eventually lead to plant death.
Another important parameter is the pH of the solution flowing through the medium, which can affect the availability of microelements and phosphate to plants. One of the advantages of soilless culture is the ability to control pH in the medium solution. This is achieved by adding acid to the irrigation water to change the ratio between NH4+ and NO3- , which are the only two forms of nitrogen allowed in this cultivation method. It is a common phenomenon that while passing through the root system, the pH will drop slightly due to root respiration and lack of buffer capacity in the soilless medium.
It is possible to check these other parameters in the growing medium as well, but this requires relatively sophisticated lab equipment. It should be stressed that EC and pH should be monitored over time, where the trends are more important than the absolute values which are not always accurate. Although the day-to-day measurements of EC and pH are not the most accurate for predicting changes in the crop, relatively inexpensive meters are adequate for quick field evaluations.
 
Finally got your tin star lol. Guess I won't be seeing you around that much anymore. After they deputized the crew they all disappeared :cry:
Oh not me homie!
The star is a personal accomplishment in my own mind..
You see no difference in me...
Ever!
I like that I got the label, and I hope I can live up to WHAT IT REALLY is supposed to mean..
But the real news here son,,
is I got a Christmas present,,,
Im so ecstatic!
Ive wanted a UC since the day I saw them!
My confidence meter is off the charts right now!

I have less than 5 things on my want list now!
And thats awesome!

The last 5 things are pretty expensive!

1. mini-split with ( Quick connects )
2. ph controller and Ec doser with wifi control
3. cmh 315 and flood table for 4x4 veg tent for RW
4. A new out building behind the house 12/12/12
5. (2) de lamps for new out building
5.5 (2) more buckets for system...
 
Oh not me homie!
The star is a personal accomplishment in my own mind..
You see no difference in me...
Ever!
I like that I got the label, and I hope I can live up to WHAT IT REALLY is supposed to mean..
But the real news here son,,
is I got a Christmas present,,,
Im so ecstatic!
Ive wanted a UC since the day I saw them!
My confidence meter is off the charts right now!

I have less than 5 things on my want list now!
And thats awesome!

The last 5 things are pretty expensive!

1. mini-split with ( Quick connects )
2. ph controller and Ec doser with wifi control
3. cmh 315 and flood table for 4x4 veg tent for RW
4. A new out building behind the house 12/12/12
5. (2) de lamps for new out building
5.5 (2) more buckets for system...
I mean im more than appreciative for what I already got,,
I reread that and thought maybe I sounded a lil selfish...

In my defense, I told Wisher this was gonna happen a year ago..
It just happened a lot quicker than I expected!

My new system is 6 buckets, the law getting wrote up here is for 5... I wonder how serious they get if you are over 1 plant,,,
What is it like or what do you hear from your areas that have plant counts?
Anyone?
 
I mean im more than appreciative for what I already got,,
I reread that and thought maybe I sounded a lil selfish...

In my defense, I told Wisher this was gonna happen a year ago..
It just happened a lot quicker than I expected!

My new system is 6 buckets, the law getting wrote up here is for 5... I wonder how serious they get if you are over 1 plant,,,
What is it like or what do you hear from your areas that have plant counts?
Anyone?
In Cali the plant count has been 6
but I never heard of anyone with a small grow getting busted
on the news when they were busting someone
they were pulling out like a shit ton of plants from a garage or 3 bedrooms and whatnot
another thing that may differ is
in Cali all you needed was a recomendation from a Dr....you didnt need to register with the state
once you register you then were subject to inspection
but just with a rec
really only you and the doc know
so ........really then it just comes down to a snoopy neighbor or slipping up and telling someone
 
In Cali the plant count has been 6
but I never heard of anyone with a small grow getting busted
on the news when they were busting someone
they were pulling out like a shit ton of plants from a garage or 3 bedrooms and whatnot
another thing that may differ is
in Cali all you needed was a recomendation from a Dr....you didnt need to register with the state
once you register you then were subject to inspection
but just with a rec
really only you and the doc know
so ........really then it just comes down to a snoopy neighbor or slipping up and telling someone
I see... I am sure they wish they had a way to control the home growers, and we better watch out for big pharma to somehow steal it away from us!
 
I would rather grow 5 legally than 6 illegal. It gives you piece of mind to know you are legit. I think if you are one over or 10 over you are still over in the eyes of the law and they will still prosecute. Why risk it for one extra plant? And if you are gonna risk it you might as well go big and add two more for your 8 buckets. You should probably have at least 10k set aside for lawyer fees too just in case. It sucks to have such low limits though. It should be 6 in flower and clones + veg don't count. It may take forever to pheno hunt with such small numbers.
 
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I see... I am sure they wish they had a way to control the home growers, and we better watch out for big pharma to somehow steal it away from us!
well they do have a way
see the black market is fading away
so either you have a tight nit group of peeps you exchange with or you are basically growing for your self
they are really cracking down of dispensaries purchasing from noncompliant/nonindustrial growers
small dispensaries will take your shit on consignment
meaning they sell it and give you partial profit from it
but the problem with that is you may get 1k per#
and they just broke it up into $300. oz's
meaning they just made
$3800.00 from your p
so if you are a home grower when it becomes legit
you are stuck growing for yourself
especially when you have to compete with your local dispens
they will always undercut to make a buck
 
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well they do have a way
see the black market is fading away
so either you have a tight nit group of peeps you exchange with or you are basically growing for your self
they are really cracking down of dispensaries purchasing from noncompliant/nonindustrial growers
small dispensaries will take your shit on consignment
meaning they sell it and give you partial profit from it
but the problem with that is you may get 1k per#
and they just broke it up into $300. oz's
meaning they just made
$3800.00 from your p
so if you are a home grower when it becomes legit
you are stuck growing for yourself
eapecially when you have to compete with your local dispens
they will always undercut to make a buck
I know it... but i think i got 5 yrs before it ends up like Cali or Co....
Somehow i think they would like to legalize rec but still make it illegal for home grows..
U know they are thinking how can they do this!
 
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